9 Aug 2007
Sarcoidosis succumbs to antibiotics. The title of Trevor Marshall PhD’s 2004 paper communicates that bacteria are playing a much larger role in driving illness than is commonly understood. An increasing number of doctors around the world are also implicating bacteria in chronic conditions. Among them is Dr. Jeff Gordon at Washington University in St. Louis whose recent paper about bacteria and obesity directly relates to Marshall’s work.
Obese individuals have different populations of microbes
Gordon’s two recent studies, which were published in a 2006 issue of Nature, describe a direct relationship between the relative abundance of certain bacteria in the gut and the tendency of an individual to gain weight.
All humans have trillions of bacteria living in the gut. Their role is to combat pathogens and break down food. In 2004, Gordon proposed that these microbes might play a role in controlling body weight.
Gordon theorized that certain bacteria have the ability to harvest energy more effectively than others. Bacteria in the gut are able to extract many of the nutrients from the foods with which they come in contact. If some species of bacteria are better at harvesting these nutrients than others, then people with more energy efficient bacteria might absorb more calories and gain weight more easily.
Gordon tested his hypothesis on twelve obese volunteers and five lean volunteers. He used genetic sequencing to identify the different species of bacteria in the subjects’ guts.
The majority of the bacteria he identified fell into two groups – the firmicutes and the bacteroidetes. However, the sequencing showed that the obese volunteers had 20 percent more firmicutes and almost 90 percent less bacteroidetes than the lean volunteers.
There are 274 genera of firmicutes. Although most firmicutes have cell wall structures, some of the species lack cell walls altogether, just like the CWD bacteria that Marshall implicates in chronic disease. Both forms of bacteria cannot be detected by conventional laboratory tests.
After the gut bacteria of the obese and lean subjects had been screened, the obese volunteers spent one year on a low-fat, low-carbohydrate diet and lost 25 pounds. When Gordon screened their bacteria again, he found that, as the volunteers lost weight, the composition of the bacteria in their guts started to adjust to more closely resemble the ratios of bacteria seen in their lean counterparts. The percent of firmicutes dropped and the percent of bacteroidetes rose.
Creating obese mice
Gordon’s team performed a follow-up study on mice. The researchers sucked the gut microbes out of both lean or obese mice and injected them into the small intestines of a different group of mice that had been specially bred with bacteria removed from their intestines.
After two weeks, the mice that had been injected with gut bacteria from the obese mice gained about twice as much weight as the mice injected with bacteria from the lean group.
The researchers also screened the gut bacteria of another group of mice that had been genetically engineered to be obese. They found that, just like the human subjects previously tested, the obese mice also had a higher percentage of firmicutes in the gut. Interestingly, they also found that the gut bacteria of obese mice had more genes that allow them to break down otherwise indigestible fibrous parts of food.
Indeed, when Gordon’s team charted the amount of food the mice consumed and the resulting calorie content in the animal’s feces, they confirmed that it was easier for the obese mice to assimilate nutrients.
The relevance of the vitamin D receptor (VDR) to obesity
Marshall’s research supports the idea that firmicutes may play a role in obesity, along with the other cell wall deficient (CWD) and biofilm bacteria he implicates in chronic disease. There are over 50 species of bacteria able to transform into the cell wall deficient form. Marshall believes that the ability of CWD bacteria and firmicutes to proliferate is directly related to suppression of the vitamin D receptor (VDR).
Critically important to the body, the VDR controls the innate immune system, the body’s first line of defense against infection. It’s also responsible for turning on and off a wide array of genes and chemical pathways.
One of the VDR’s myriad functions is that it directly controls the expression of the antimicrobial peptides (AMPs). The AMPs are proteins that kill bacteria by fragmenting DNA.
Although casually referred to as a vitamin by some members of the medical community, molecular biologists have long realized that the precursor form of vitamin D (25-D) is a steroid. In a presentation at the 2006 American Association of Environmental Medicine Conference, Marshall used molecular modeling to show that 25-D binds and inactivates the VDR, which subsequently slows the immune response.
More recently, Marshall used molecular modeling to show that a protein called capnine, which is produced by certain species of biofilm bacteria, can also bind and inactivate the VDR is a manner similar to 25-D. He believes that other types of pathogens including viruses, mycoplasma and possibly even fermicutes may also produce proteins that act in a manner similar to capnine.
Since the VDR must be activated in order to express the AMPs, individuals who are infected with CWD and biofilm bacteria, and consuming high levels of 25-D are no longer able to produce the AMPs.
The AMPs play a critical role in keeping the bacteria in the small intestine in check. Healthy individuals appear to have some firmicutes in the gut. However, in individuals who no longer produce enough AMPs, fimicutes may find it much easier to proliferate.
Connection between obesity and chronic disease
Based on these observations, it would seem that the current epidemics of obesity and chronic disease go hand in hand. Many patients with chronic disease certainly find it increasingly difficult to maintain a healthy weight as their illness progresses.
At the moment, most doctors tell their overweight and obese patients that extra body fat is CAUSING them to develop diseases such as athroclerosis and diabetes. But it is now becoming increasingly clear that obesity is not a cause for disease but is a disease itself. As with other chronic diseases, it appears to be directly related to a patient’s bacterial load. This means that the reason that patients with heart disease and diabetes tend to be obese may simply due to the fact that these individuals have accumulated high amounts of L-form/biofilm bacteria that have shut down the Vitamin D Receptor, making it easier for them to accumulate the pathogens that cause weight gain.
In a 2004 presentation to the FDA, Marshall used molecular modeling to show that the medication Benicar is able to bind and activate the VDR. The Marshall Protocol, Marshall’s treatment for chronic disease, uses Benicar to restore functionality to the VDR, renewing the body’s ability to turn on the innate immune system and produce the AMPs.
This means the immune system is once again able manage other pathogens, including some of the pathogenic forms of firmicutes. At the same time, patients take carefully selected antibiotics over a period of several years to eliminate disease-causing bacteria. With these measures in place it seems likely that individuals will have more optimal gut bacteria that do not promote obesity.
Although more research must be done in order to determine the direct impact of the MP on gut bacteria, several previously overweight patients who have returned to normal health through MP therapy report that significant weight loss accompanied their recovery.
Just like rheumatoid arthritis, sarcoidosis, CFS and other chronic diseases, obesity runs in families, suggesting that firmicutes and other bacteria that may influence weight might be passed from generation to generation by incorporating their genetic material into host DNA.
Several months ago, doctor-researchers at Harvard Medical School and the University of California published a study about obesity in the New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists analyzed 32 years of obesity data on more than 12,000 people who had participated in a study for heart disease. They used a database of contact information to map each participant’s social network — the array of the friends and family they named over the years and then traced obesity trends through the network.
The team found that people’s odds of becoming obese increase by 57% if they have a friend who becomes obese, 40% if they have a sibling who becomes obese, and 37% if a spouse becomes obese. They concluded that obesity is “socially contagious,” claiming that people copy the eating habits of the those around them and tend to follow suit when their friends and family become obese or lose weight. More likely, obesity is contagious and pathogens such as firmicutes are passed among people in close contact.
In 1999, the NIH funded a $200,000 study that tested an intervention program on two groups of Navajo school children. The intervention, which was only performed on one of the groups of children, involved a substantial increase in physical education programs, classes about nutrition, significant reduction in fat and calorie content of all school meals, and several other health related measures.
The primary goal of the study was to reduce the rate of body fat in the intervention group, but after the three-year intervention the percent of body fat in both groups was essentially identical. The researchers were unable to explain the failure of the intervention.
Similarly, a recent study published in the British Medical Journal found that the percentage of body fat in preschool children in six nursery schools in Glasgow, Scotland was not affected by a similar diet and exercise intervention program.
The preschoolers were divided into two groups. One group participated in the intervention program, which consisted of increasing the children’s level of physical activity (they performed three 30 minute exercise sessions a week over 24 weeks) plus home based health education aimed at increasing physical activity through play and reducing sedentary behaviour. The team found that the children in the intervention group developed better motor skills than those in the control group, but the intervention program had no effect on their body mass index.
In fact, there are only spurious connections between low-fat diets and heart disease. In his book “Good calories, Bad calories”, Gary Taubes explains that Nineteenth-century Americans consumed huge amounts of meat: the percentage of fat in the diet of ancient hunter-gatherers, according to the best estimate today, was as high or higher than the ratio in the modern Western diet. Furthermore, when the theory that low-fat diets afford protection against coronary heart disease has been tested in clinical trials, the evidence keeps turning up negative. As Taubes notes, the most rigorous meta-analysis of the clinical trials of low-fat diets, published in 2001 by the Cochrane Collaboration, concluded that they had no significant effect on mortality.
Clearly the vast majority of doctors and researchers studying obesity are missing a major part of the picture. It is impossible for seriously overweight people who have accumulated high bacterial loads to starve themselves in order to resolve their weight issues. How many of us have a friend or family member who cannot lose weight despite their continuous attempts to eat healthy food and exercise? It is time that these people stop being blamed for their inability to shed pounds and instead become informed of the treatment that will allow them to target the bacteria causing their disease. If no measures are taken to control the bacteria that contribute to obesity, the results of the above studies suggest that diet and exercise have little effect.
It’s not surprising then, that obesity and chronic disease are still alarmingly on the rise.
A team of researchers at John Hopkins University released a statement saying that if people keep gaining weight at the current rate, 75 percent of U.S. adults and 24 percent of U.S. children will be overweight or obese by 2015. Similarly, according to the CDC, seven of every 10 Americans who die each year, or more than 1.7 million people, die of a chronic disease.
March 2008 update:
This week, a new study revealed similar findings, demonstrating that the mix of bacteria in a baby’s gut may predict whether the infant will become overweight or obese later in life.
In a study published in the March issue of The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, researchers at the University of Turku in Finloand reported that babies with high numbers of the bacterial species Bifidobacteria and low numbers of the bacterial species Staphylococcus aureus may be protected from excess weight gain.[1]
The Finnish team selected 49 children from a larger long-term study aimed at evaluating the effect of probiotics on allergic disease. The babies had been evaluated at birth, five more times before age 2, and then again at ages 4 and 7. The researchers in the original study had also tested for intestinal microbes in fecal samples collected at 6 months and 12 months.
Of the 49 subjects selected from the larger study, 25 were overweight or obese at age 7, while 24 subjects of the same age were of normal weight.
When the Finnish team examined the fecal samples taken from the children earlier in life, the average bacterial counts of Bifidobacteria taken at 6 months and 12 months were twice as high in those children who were at a healthy weight as in those who had become obese.
Those who stayed at a healthy weight also had lower fecal S. aureus levels at 6 months and 12 months than did those who got heavy.
The researchers speculated that S. aureus may trigger low-grade inflammation that also contributes to developing obesity, a statement which supports biomedical researcher Trevor Marshall’s view that obesity is not a cause for other diseases such as heart disease and stroke, but is an inflammatory disease in its own right. As with other chronic diseases, it is directly related to a patient’s bacterial load.
Since Bifidobacteria are prevalent in the guts of breast-fed babies, the Finnish team also suggested that their findings may help explain why breastfed babies have been found to be at lower risk for later obesity. Other studies have repeatedly found that breastfed babies have a 13 to 22 percent reduced risk of excess weight or obesity in childhood.
“The finding that the lean children harbored higher levels of Bifidobacteria at younger ages is very intriguing,” commented Ruth Ley, a research assistant professor at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. According to Ley, the Finnish study is unique, because it collected information over several years, making it possible to look for differences in gut microflora.
Caballero, B., Clay, T., Davis, S. M., Ethelbah, B., Rock, B. H., Lohman, T., et al. (2003). Pathways: a school-based, randomized controlled trial for the prevention of obesity in American Indian schoolchildren. The American journal of clinical nutrition, 78(5), 1030-8.
Christakis, N. A., & Fowler, J. H. (2007). The Spread of Obesity in a Large Social Network over 32 Years. N Engl J Med, 357(4), 370-379.
Marshall, T. (2007). Bacterial Capnine Blocks Transcription of Human Antimicrobial Peptides. Nature Precedings.
Marshall, T. G., & Marshall, F. E. (2004). Sarcoidosis succumbs to antibiotics–implications for autoimmune disease. Autoimmunity reviews, 3(4), 295-300.
Turnbaugh, P. J., Ley, R. E., Mahowald, M. A., Magrini, V., Mardis, E. R., Gordon, J. I., et al. (2006). An obesity-associated gut microbiome with increased capacity for energy harvest. Nature, 444(7122), 1027-131.
Wang, Y., & Beydoun, M. A. (2007). The obesity epidemic in the United States–gender, age, socioeconomic, racial/ethnic, and geographic characteristics: a systematic review and meta-regression analysis. Epidemiologic reviews, 29, 6-28.
17 Responses for "Bacteria implicated in obesity"
I was wondering if the same can be said for sudden weight loss? I used to be much bigger than I
am currently, but when Lyme took over, weight fell easily. Can it be both ways with chronic illness?
Thanks
Hi Joe,
The answer is I don’t know for sure. It does seem logical that a person with a compromised immune system could pick up not just firmicutes, but also forms of bacteria that are energy inefficient, such as bacteroidetes. Maybe a person in contact with a lot of thin people, all of whom have more bacteroidetes in the gut, would actually pick up their bacteriodetes and lose weight. I think further research is needed to see if this is true.
But considering that we are in the middle of an obesity epidemic, it does seem that people are picking up more firmicutes than bacteroidetes. That would suggest that the firmicutes are more pathogenic and more successful at taking advantage of a weakened host.
I do want to stress that firmicutes, and other forms of bacteria yet to be discovered that affect how the host metabolizes food, are co-infections– pathogens that “come along for the ride” once L-form bacteria have impaired the ability of the immune system to function.
Not everybody has firmicutes, just as not everyone has co-infections of human herpes virus (HHV6) or Candida albicans (pathogenic yeast) or any number of other pathogens that can take advantage of a person infected with L-form bacteria.
It seems like you and I escaped the firmicutes. Unfortunately we know that these bacteria can be passed from mother to child in the womb and are able to incorporate their genetic material into our DNA – allowing them to be passed from generation to generation. So some people, whose parents are already obese don’t have much of a chance at being thin.
Perhaps you and I picked up more in the way of bacteroidetes. But in my case, I also feel the weight loss was related to physical stress. Before and even during the MP my body has had to work at near maximal capacity. My working theory these days is that weight maintenance is one of those resource-intensive activities that the body considers optional when other tasks such as managing L-form bacteria come to the fore. I’ve often noticed that the worse I feel, the easier it is for me to shed pounds.
Amy
My husband has had daily cluster headaches for 4 years. He takes anti-seizure meds for this and stays on a night schedule to avoid the sun. Sunlight makes the attacks much worse. If he stays up past dawn or gets up before sunset he also gets terrible stomach pains. No one knows what causes cluster headaches or what helps them (the anti-seizure meds help for a few months to keep the clusters from being as severe/frequent, but then the meds quit helping and he has to switch to another anti-seizure med). This information about L-form bacteria and vitamin D seems to show some promise in finding answers for us.
Hi, I have had chronic sinus infections, constant fatique, now diebetis and have been overwieght for at least 15 years now. If it is bacteria, how, without anti biotics (I have taken more than my share over the years) can I rid my body of the bad bacteria
Hi Kathy,
Sorry not to write you back sooner – I was traveling yesterday. Judging by your diagnosis and symptoms, you are definitely infected with L-form bacteria – bacteria that have mutated from their “normal” forms and have learned to live inside the cells of the immune system, meaning that they can no longer be killed by standard therapies.
If you were to start the Marshall Protocol, you WOULD take antibiotics – only they would be taken at different doses, at different times, and in different combinations than any of the antibiotics you have taken before. The Marshall Protocol antibiotics are taken in extremely low, pulsed doses and it is by using this exact method, along with very specific antibiotics, that allows the Marshall Protocol antibiotics to work in a way that high dose antibiotics, IV antibiotics, or other antibiotics simply cannot.
There is also one very important aspect of the treatment that greatly affects the power of the antibiotics to kill bacteria. Patients take the medication Benicar, which greatly stimulates the immune system, allowing them to successfully kill many more of the L-form bacteria weakened by the antibiotics. You will never kill the bacteria making you sick unless you take Benicar in conjunction with antibiotics.
It’s very important that you read the following article:
“Getting it Right: How to correctly target L-form bacteria”
http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/11/antibiotics/
The article describes how the Marshall Protocol antibiotics work when taken along with Benicar.
I urge you to read more articles on this site and also on the Marshall Protocol study site (www.marshallprotocol.com) so that you can learn more about the treatment. That is because if you chose to do it, you WILL get your health back and kill the bacteria making you sick. Don’t forget that if you have questions, you can always post them at:
http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to diseases caused by L-form bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1) – where they will be answered free of charge my experienced patient advocates.
Best,
Amy
I have always been over weight so I tried Nutrisystem again and I was loosing weight. Suddenly I started gaining again after I started getting boils. To make a long story short I have been diagnosed of having “Mercer”.According to what you said any one with a bacteria infection do to a virus or what not will gain weight. A speciallist that I was refered to sain you can’t gain weight from a bacteria infection! Dr. Courtney said this! Here all of you went to medical school and why is every ones answer different?
Hi Jessica,
It’s frustrating and confusing huh? How many doctors are not informed about the latest discoveries in the field of microbiology and molecular biology which are demonstrating that bacteria are behind most illnesses currently considered to be of “unknown cause.” And as my article described, obesity is actually an illness – also influenced by the composition and species of bacteria that take over the immune system and digestive tract.
The Marshall Protocol, the treatment that is able to kill L-form bacteria, thus allowing your immune system to keep obesity causing bacteria under control, is quite new and still considered controversial by most doctors. That is because in medical school they are still taught that obesity is just the result of a person eating too much food, being lazy, etc. And most of them haven’t kept up with the research showing that bacteria are to blame and/or just simply close-minded when it comes to the idea.
I feel the decision of what doctor to trust comes down to your instincts. I’m sure you’ve tried to lose weight multiple times, including with the Nutrisystem and found that the weight loss was just temporary or extremely difficult to accomplish. Does that make sense? If obesity were only related to eating food you would be slim by now because you strike me as somebody who cares about their figure and is trying their best to stay fit.
By the way, not everyone with a bacteria or virus will gain weight – whether or not a person suffers from obesity depends on the composition of bacteria in their gut and the load of L-form bacteria they have accumulated. However it sounds to me like you do have bacterial species associated with weight gain and that if you started the Marshall Protocol it would be possible for you to gradually kill these pathogens.
It’s also interesting that you say you have been overweight all your life. Obesity causing bacteria are and other bacteria are able to be passed from generation to generation, so it’s quite possible that one of your parents passed some down to you when you were just an infant.
More about how bacteria are passed from generation to generation here:
http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/31/family/
There are many doctors who are not willing to accept the novel ideas put forth by Dr Marshall at this point, but more and more and beginning to take note. In the meantime, you could request a list of doctors in your area who use the MP at the following link and hopefully work with a doctor who is more open minded.
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum11/9355.html
It will take several more years for the role of bacteria in obesity to become integrated into mainstream medicine but in the meantime the Marshall Protocol can help you take action as soon as possible.
Best,
Amy
PS If you have any more questions about the Marshall Protocol post them at the website http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to diseases caused by L-form bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1). Your questions will be answered free of charge by experienced patient advocates.
I need information on mercer bacterica is there a cure.
Hi Margaret,
To my knowledge nobody has tried using the Marshall Protocol to treat MRSA – but that doesn’t mean that the treatment doesn’t have a high chance of killing the resistant staph species that cause the disease. That’s because the MP has been carefully designed to target persistent and difficult to kill bacteria that other antibiotic treatments cannot touch – and it does this very effectively.
I have talked with Dr. Marshall personally about MRSA and the Marshall Protocol since my twin sister’s boyfriend has MRSA. In a few months he will be starting the MP to treat his infection because Dr. Marshall believes that the it is highly likely that the MP will work for him.
I encourage you to do the same and try using the Marshall Protocol to treat your MRSA, as it is definitely the treatment with the greatest hope of working against resistant staph. Your other alternatives are not very good, as the high dose antibiotics used to treat MRSA kill some forms of staph but leave staph L-forms behind and alive, which means people are likely to relapse at a later date. Read more about L-form bacteria here.
http://bacteriality.com/2007/08/15/l-forms/
I’m not saying that high does antibiotics shouldn’t be used at some points, only that the MP will kill any staph L-form which is necessary if the infection is to clear completely.
I recommend that you post further about this issue at the following website – http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to disease caused by treatment resistant bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1)
The patient advocates on that site will answer your questions about MRSA and the MP in greater depth. There is no charge for their advice and no charge to use the Marshall Protocol as the study sites are run by a non-profit organization.
Good luck!
Amy
One question you don’t mention that bears investigation imo, is can inflammatory diseases or L-form bacteria affect a person’s sense of being hungry? Can it cause an insatiable craving for food or interfere with the normal sensation of being full?
I’ve been following the MP for a few years now due to Sarcoidosis and I’ve experienced episodes where cravings and hunger seemed to be exacerbated. I’m certain that I have nervous system involvement and inflammation – maybe that’s the key? Or could it be dis-regulated blood sugar or other hormone signals that arise from inflammation?
Have you found any research into what drive’s our hunger for food and how a dis-regulated metabolism could upset it?
Hi Grant,
Oh man…I know what you are talking about! Before the MP my cravings for food and carbohydrates in particular were off the roof. I mean, it was out of control. All I ate were carbs – muffins, “energy” bars, bread – I simply could not feel satiated unless I ate some huge serving of carbohydrates and then I’d literally be hungry again half an hour later. At night I’d binge eat on sweets – it was nuts.
Now my carb cravings are completely gone and get this – I am actually able to eat a no/low carb diet. I never thought that possible, and when I decided to try the diet I was so sure that I would fail. But I managed one day without carbs and amazingly didn’t even miss them, the next day I was fine…I haven’t eaten bread for months now and don’t even think about it. What a different world.
Anyway, the point of that whole description is that yes, I believe the carb cravings are related to the presence of bacteria and the inflammatory disease process. Because when my inflammation was at its worst so were my cravings, and now that my inflammation is significantly less so are the cravings.
There are several reasons I came up for why I used to have insane carb cravings. All are theoretical, but I’ll share them.
1. When my disease was at it’s worst just dealing with the high load of pathogens put my body under so much stress. My body was fighting a war every day just to stay alive with so many bacteria and other pathogens wearing it down. This put me under tremendous stress. The most immediate source of energy to keep my body going while it was dealing with this stress was carbs – which are broken down into glucose that the body can use quickly. Hence the cravings.
2. Many L-form bacteria use carbohydrates as a source of energy. Knowing know that most bacteria use glucose as a source of energy I can imagine that all my pathogens were “crying out” to be fed – inducing the cravings.
3. Researchers at McGill University in Canada have shown that the Vitamin D Receptor transcribes several key genes that regulate insulin and allow for the formation of the insulin receptors. When 25-D and ligands created by all the bacteria I was carrying blocked the VDR, the production of these insulin-related genes was blocked as well, causing havoc on my body’s ability to regulate blood sugar. I’m sure I had unusual fluctuations in blood sugar that could have contributed to the cravings.
Those are my best explanations. Maybe it was a combination of all three or maybe another process was going on that I am not aware of. All I know is that the cravings are gone, so lowering inflammation and killing L-form bacteria are a way out of the craving situation.
Best,
Amy
I have a 3 year old daughter who started out being lean, but is now starting to gain weight above the amount exhibited by other children in her peer group. She is cared for by a “nanny” who is quite overweight. Although the nanny feeds my daughter healthy foods, there is often a sharing of spoons and other objects which end up in both of their mouths. Is it possible that the nanny has infected my 3 year old daughter with obesity-related bacteria?
Ken
Hi Ken,
Answering this question makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable. I know what I say could affect whether someone gets to keep her job, and that is a responsibility I would rather not have.
That said, in my opinion, the answer is yes.
Bacteria are passed by close contact with others. One doesn’t even need to share utensils. Humans are especially vulnerable during their first weeks of life when the innate immune system has not been fully formed. (Did your family’s nanny work for you then?) For more on this topic, have a look at my Babies and bacteria article.
Some might say that obesity isn’t contagious, but how else would you explain this prediction, which says that all Americans will be overweight by 2040? To suggest that the recent and future epidemic in obesity is merely learned behavior is a cop out. We’ve seen multi-year large-scale interventions designed to curb obesity fail.
The genetic explanation doesn’t hold much more promise: it’s simply impossible for a genetic model to account for such a rapid escalation in rates of obesity.
To return to your original question, the only suggestion I might offer is that you (delicately) encourage your nanny to do the MP.
Best,
Amy
Amy,
I’m not sure if using the Marshall Protocal on the nanny would do any good. Even if she cleansed her body of the “bad” bacteria, wouldn’t she just become re-infected again by exposure to my daughter, as well as her friends and family who carry the “bad” bacteria?
In fact, doesn’t this point out a flaw in the MP treatment? Isn’t it only half of the answer. In order to prevent re-infection by the “bad” bacteria wouldn’t a person have to innoculate themselves with “good” (i.e. thin) bacteria to prevent re-infection?
It would seem unlikely that a random innoculation with “good” bacteria would happen, since the steady spread of the “bad” bacteria in society suggests that it is better at defending its territory than most “good” bacteria. In fact, the spread of the “bad” bacteria suggests that even if a person was innoculated with “good” bacteria it might only be a matter of time until they were reinfected with the “bad” bacteria. Perhaps this is a partial explanation for why Kathy (who takes antibiotics for sinus infections) continues to have weight problems even after taking mega doses of antibiotics.
Has any research been done into locating a super-good bacteria that could defend its territory against the infection of “bad” bacteria? Perhaps taking cultures from thin people who are surrounded by overweight people but resist gaining weight themselves might locate a naturally occurring strain of super-good bacteria. This strain could then be used to innoculate people who underwent the MP treatment.
Has anyone looked into these issues?
Hi Ken,
I should have been more specific when I mentioned the possibility of putting your nanny on the MP. Essentially, once people are taking Benicar and a reasonable dose of the MP antibiotics, the chronic bacteria they harbor are killed before they are able leave the body and are spread to other people.
For example, my boyfriend and I have been together for three years. We are both on the MP and both have very different symptoms. But we are not worried about trading bacteria because we are both on the MP and thus our bacteria are too weak to spread. At least neither of us is showing either of the other’s symptoms.
Your nanny is heavy, and the MP takes a long time to complete. I also expect that with her weight problems come other Th1 related problems, as is the case with most of our other subjects. So she would probably be on the MP for a good 3-4 years during which time I don’t think she’d pass your daughter much of anything.
When it comes to the period after she stops the MP I recommend reading the following short piece about what state people are in when they stop the treatment:
http://bacteriality.com/2008/02/23/misconceptions/#13
The MP does two things – it kills the bacteria causing inflammatory disease and it also strengthens the innate immune response. So a person who finishes the treatment has excellent immune function. So if your nanny did complete the MP she would pick up chronic pathogens again at a very slow rate. And since all of the population harbors the Th1 pathogens to a certain exten, she’d certainly be the person you would most want around your daughter as any other older women would have her own share of bacteria.
MP patients who have stopped the treatment generally do “touch ups” every few years (as described in the piece) which keep their bacterial load very low.
As for supplementing with “good” bacteria, I’m skeptical of the benefits. Usually the body works best when (after being rid of chronic bacteria) if is allowed to return to homeostasis on it’s own. Even “good” bacteria place an extra load on the innate immune system and may be able to trade DNA with less innocuous pathogens.
It’s sort of like some of the instances in which a certain animal has been introduced to a habitat in order to kill a pest and the second animal ends up causing more problems than the first. That may not end up being the case with gut bacteria, but the gut is definitely an unknown “habitat” at this point and we don’t want to artificially skew it’s composition too much, at least for now.
Best,
Amy
Amy,
I think Ken (above) brings up an important point when he says
‘…Even if she cleansed her body of the “bad” bacteria, wouldn’t she just become re-infected again by exposure to my daughter, as well as her friends and family who carry the “bad” bacteria?
In fact, doesn’t this point out a flaw in the MP treatment? Isn’t it only half of the answer? …’
Don’t you suppose that our modern diet contributes to L-form bacteria being able to take up residence in our bodies in the first place? Do you think that eating excessive carbohydrates (or additives, or trans fats, or other damaged food) alters our body chemistry in a way that provides a welcome environment to th1?
Have any studies been done regarding diet and eradication of L-form bacteria?
Maria
Maria,
As you may have seen in my Diet and Obesity article, diet does play a role. Based on what I know about the pathogenesis of chronic disease, I don’t think it’s the primary role. Take a look at the Pathways study alluded to in that article. That intervention was first-rate. Why did it fail? It is my opinion that a dysregulated vitamin D metabolism is to blame, a variable not addressed by the Pathways study.
Best,
Amy