Comments on: Interview with Nadya Markova: L-form Expert http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:55:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Amy Proal http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-14605 Amy Proal Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:38:14 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-14605 Hi Lori, It's really good to hear from you! I think it's fantastic that Ally is able to tolerate 1/2 of a demeclocycline pill. At that dose she is definitely killing bacteria. So if she can tolerate the die-off and still feel some improvement she is definitely getting better. I think you will find that things gradually get easier and easier for her. She is still going to herx, but "underneath" the herx she may start to feel increasingly resilient. At least that's what happened to me. My herx reaction was always strong, but as I killed more and more bacteria it became easier to tolerate because my original disease symptoms were going away. I gained a sense of true inner strength that I had not had for years. Gradually I realized that I could push myself and not relapse or end up in bed. Nowadays I don't even think about pushing myself too hard. If I do I usually sleep it off. That's quite a difference from the days where the most minimal things could put me in bed for weeks. I know that right now Ally can't engage much in life outside the family but I truly believe that one day she will become a happy, normal young person. At that point she will be so strong from dealing the her illness that she will probably maintain a continually positive outlook on life and enjoy each healthy day much more than the average person. All the best to both of you, Amy Hi Lori,

It’s really good to hear from you! I think it’s fantastic that Ally is able to tolerate 1/2 of a demeclocycline pill. At that dose she is definitely killing bacteria. So if she can tolerate the die-off and still feel some improvement she is definitely getting better. I think you will find that things gradually get easier and easier for her. She is still going to herx, but “underneath” the herx she may start to feel increasingly resilient.

At least that’s what happened to me. My herx reaction was always strong, but as I killed more and more bacteria it became easier to tolerate because my original disease symptoms were going away. I gained a sense of true inner strength that I had not had for years. Gradually I realized that I could push myself and not relapse or end up in bed. Nowadays I don’t even think about pushing myself too hard. If I do I usually sleep it off. That’s quite a difference from the days where the most minimal things could put me in bed for weeks.

I know that right now Ally can’t engage much in life outside the family but I truly believe that one day she will become a happy, normal young person. At that point she will be so strong from dealing the her illness that she will probably maintain a continually positive outlook on life and enjoy each healthy day much more than the average person.

All the best to both of you,

Amy

]]> By: Lori Schott http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-14604 Lori Schott Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:29:03 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-14604 Hi Amy, Thanks for the update It sounds like your life is so full and rich and wonderful, you truly deserve it. Things here with Ally seem different, and it's kind of hard to explain. She had a 6 week or so hiatus a number of months ago, then went on to Declomyacin from Minocycline. She got back on a new antibiotic called Declomyacin, it has kicked her butt most of the time, but she finally graduated from a 1/4 of a pill to 1/2 of a pill just this last week. We were expecting the worst out of doubling the AB, but she hasn't had the dreadful experience we thought might surely happen. It hasn't been easy by any means but it has been way worse in the past. I feel like something is changing in her and for the better for the first time ever!. My mother's intuition says something's up. It seems as though she has really killed off a lot of the bacteria in this last grueling horrendous year. It makes sense according to how the MP says it works. If she has greatly lowered her bacterial load, then her herx's should get less and less right? I am hoping and praying with every fiber of my heart and soul, that things will start to go in her favor. She has lost so much of her life, Its hard to wrap my mind around her enormous losses. When she does get well, she will have to build herself a life from the bottom up. No friends, no school, no job. We are her everything. Let me know what your thoughts might be. How did things start to change for you? I know each person goes through this differently but I am just wondering. Thanks, Lori Schott Hi Amy,
Thanks for the update It sounds like your life is so full and rich and wonderful, you truly deserve it.
Things here with Ally seem different, and it’s kind of hard to explain. She had a 6 week or so hiatus a number of months ago, then went on to Declomyacin from Minocycline. She got back on a new antibiotic called Declomyacin, it has kicked her butt most of the time, but she finally graduated from a 1/4 of a pill to 1/2 of a pill just this last week. We were expecting the worst out of doubling the AB, but she hasn’t had the dreadful experience we thought might surely happen. It hasn’t been easy by any means but it has been way worse in the past. I feel like something is changing in her and for the better for the first time ever!. My mother’s intuition says something’s up. It seems as though she has really killed off a lot of the bacteria in this last grueling horrendous year. It makes sense according to how the MP says it works. If she has greatly lowered her bacterial load, then her herx’s should get less and less right? I am hoping and praying with every fiber of my heart and soul, that things will start to go in her favor. She has lost so much of her life, Its hard to wrap my mind around her enormous losses. When she does get well, she will have to build herself a life from the bottom up. No friends, no school, no job. We are her everything.
Let me know what your thoughts might be. How did things start to change for you? I know each person goes through this differently but I am just wondering.
Thanks,
Lori Schott

]]> By: Greg Dykhuizen http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-14260 Greg Dykhuizen Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:11:18 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-14260 Hello Amy, You probably have heard enough from me, but I couldn't resist. We were both right, many different bacteria, but in stealth mode, the same appearance (yeastlike discs with punctate/depressed centers). These are mitochondria, and the bacteria evolve from them just as A. Bechamp described. I have witnessed and filmed this phenomenon. Hello Amy,
You probably have heard enough from me, but I couldn’t resist. We were both right, many different bacteria, but in stealth mode, the same appearance (yeastlike discs with punctate/depressed centers). These are mitochondria, and the bacteria evolve from them just as A. Bechamp described. I have witnessed and filmed this phenomenon.

]]> By: Mark http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-13414 Mark Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:46:04 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-13414 Thanks for the clarification Greg - Most impressive. Mark Thanks for the clarification Greg - Most impressive.
Mark

]]> By: Amy Proal http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-13413 Amy Proal Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:38:22 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-13413 Hi Greg, Of course that's not good! I'm also familiar with the study you are referencing. I agree that the study and your own experiments are surely detecting bacteria in the blood, but there is no evidence to suggest that you are only observing only one pathogen. Each sample you view likely contains a variety of different pathogens, each of which contribute to the exacerbation of certain symptoms. It would be great if standard laboratories knew how to correctly identify these bacteria in the blood samples of patients. However at the moment they are not trained in the techniques and it is impractical to think Dr. Marshall could somehow test the blood of MP patients. They are located all over the world and obtaining blood samples is a delicate issue. In any case, thanks for sharing. The fact that the study you referenced found bacteria in people considered to be "healthy" enforces Marshall's view that everyone harbors a certain level of the Th1 pathogens. Essentially, no one is immune to these bacterial forms as they age. Best, Amy Hi Greg,

Of course that’s not good! I’m also familiar with the study you are referencing. I agree that the study and your own experiments are surely detecting bacteria in the blood, but there is no evidence to suggest that you are only observing only one pathogen. Each sample you view likely contains a variety of different pathogens, each of which contribute to the exacerbation of certain symptoms.

It would be great if standard laboratories knew how to correctly identify these bacteria in the blood samples of patients. However at the moment they are not trained in the techniques and it is impractical to think Dr. Marshall could somehow test the blood of MP patients. They are located all over the world and obtaining blood samples is a delicate issue.

In any case, thanks for sharing. The fact that the study you referenced found bacteria in people considered to be “healthy” enforces Marshall’s view that everyone harbors a certain level of the Th1 pathogens. Essentially, no one is immune to these bacterial forms as they age.

Best,

Amy

]]> By: Greg http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-13411 Greg Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:27:46 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-13411 Hello Amy, Sorry about the delay, My modem became mysteriously obsolete leaving me temporarily incommunicato. I was refering to a particular Mashall Protocol member in my previous response. He mentioned seeing what he believed were mycoplasma while looking at fingerstick blood with darkfield microscopy. I am seeing the same in all fingerstick samples that I have observed. Electron micrographs of these organisms are available. McLaughlin, Vali, Lau, et.al. "Are There Naturally Occurring Pleomorphic Bacteria in the Blood of Healthy Humans?" Journal of Clinical Microbiology, Dec. 2002, p. 4771-4775. Also," Etiologic studies on late-term swine abortions" Nielsen, Armstrong, Turek, Nielsen. J. Vet. Diagn. Invest. 1:160-164 (1989). These organisms are profuse in most of the samples that I have seen. Many erythrocytes appear to be packed with these. That can't be good, can it? More info available, Hello Amy,
Sorry about the delay, My modem became mysteriously obsolete leaving me temporarily incommunicato. I was refering to a particular Mashall Protocol member in my previous response. He mentioned seeing what he believed were mycoplasma while looking at fingerstick blood with darkfield microscopy. I am seeing the same in all fingerstick samples that I have observed. Electron micrographs of these organisms are available. McLaughlin, Vali, Lau, et.al. “Are There Naturally Occurring Pleomorphic Bacteria in the Blood of Healthy Humans?” Journal of Clinical Microbiology, Dec. 2002, p. 4771-4775. Also,” Etiologic studies on late-term swine abortions” Nielsen, Armstrong, Turek, Nielsen. J. Vet. Diagn. Invest. 1:160-164 (1989).

These organisms are profuse in most of the samples that I have seen. Many erythrocytes appear to be packed with these. That can’t be good, can it?

More info available,

]]> By: Amy Proal http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-13168 Amy Proal Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:17:08 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-13168 Hi Greg, I'm with Mark. I don't know who you are talking about when you refer to "windy city, leather hat" Is that the name of a member on the MP? Even if such a person has already addressed the issue perhaps you could direct us to where the discussion took place or perhaps you could explain the highlights of their comments yourself? Thanks, Amy Hi Greg,

I’m with Mark. I don’t know who you are talking about when you refer to “windy city, leather hat” Is that the name of a member on the MP? Even if such a person has already addressed the issue perhaps you could direct us to where the discussion took place or perhaps you could explain the highlights of their comments yourself?

Thanks,

Amy

]]> By: Mark http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-13144 Mark Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:59:05 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-13144 Can anyone enlighten me on the previous comment "windy city, leather hat". I'm not sure what that means and I would like more info about the Canadian pathogens. Thanks - Mark Can anyone enlighten me on the previous comment “windy city, leather hat”. I’m not sure what that means and I would like more info about the Canadian pathogens.
Thanks - Mark

]]> By: Greg Dykhuizen http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-12589 Greg Dykhuizen Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:32:14 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-12589 Hello Amy. Concerning the identity of the pathogen, one MP member has already addressed the issue. (windy city, leather hat). These are the only l forms that i'm seeing, as if they weren't enough. Thanks for your reply. Greg Hello Amy. Concerning the identity of the pathogen, one MP member has already addressed the issue. (windy city, leather hat). These are the only l forms that i’m seeing, as if they weren’t enough. Thanks for your reply.

Greg

]]> By: Amy Proal http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/09/markova-interview/#comment-12582 Amy Proal Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:24:16 +0000 http://bacteriality.com/?p=40#comment-12582 Hi Dr. Dykhuizen, We don't believe it's one pathogen causing one disease. We believe chronic disease is caused by a variety of different species of bacteria in different forms including biofilm and l-form. As you know, the Human Microbiome Project has shown that human cells are outnumbered by bacterials cells by 10 to 1. Sarcoidosis manifests in a lot of different organs and has a variety of different symptoms. Different pathogens could be responsible for causing various symptoms of disease. We believe that many of these bacteria have yet to be fully characterized and identified. Some microbiome researchers say that we have only characterized 1% of the bacteria in the human body. So we definitely don't want to say that we've found all the bacteria complicit in disease until all have been fully characterized. But, I'm sure the pathogen identified by the Canadian team plays a role. Could you tell me what pathogen it is and refer me to some of the team's papers? I appreciate your feedback. I hope you continue to read the articles on the site. Best, Amy Hi Dr. Dykhuizen,

We don’t believe it’s one pathogen causing one disease. We believe chronic disease is caused by a variety of different species of bacteria in different forms including biofilm and l-form. As you know, the Human Microbiome Project has shown that human cells are outnumbered by bacterials cells by 10 to 1.

Sarcoidosis manifests in a lot of different organs and has a variety of different symptoms. Different pathogens could be responsible for causing various symptoms of disease.

We believe that many of these bacteria have yet to be fully characterized and identified. Some microbiome researchers say that we have only characterized 1% of the bacteria in the human body. So we definitely don’t want to say that we’ve found all the bacteria complicit in disease until all have been fully characterized.

But, I’m sure the pathogen identified by the Canadian team plays a role. Could you tell me what pathogen it is and refer me to some of the team’s papers?

I appreciate your feedback. I hope you continue to read the articles on the site.

Best,
Amy

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