31 Oct 2007
Sam is a 32-year-old patient who is using the Marshall Protocol to treat CFS and depression (and doing extremely well). But Sam is certainly not the only person in his family suffering from Th1 disease – the name given to inflammatory illness caused by bacteria that reside undetected inside biofilms and the cells of the immune system. These bacteria, which are often in a cell-wall-deficient form (the L-form), are collectively referred to as the Th1 pathogens.
Sam’s mother suffers from fibromyalgia, accompanied by insomnia, fatigue, and irritable bowel disorder. His father recently had a stroke, and deals with substantial fatigue and depression. His older brother has debilitating back pain and is hard of hearing. His youngest sister suffers from alopecia, brain fog, depression, excessive fatigue, and mild attention deficit disorder. The youngest brother in the family has a severe case of bipolar disorder, as well as irritable bowel syndrome.
It’s obvious that every member of Sam’s immediate family harbors a substantial load of the Th1 pathogens and that these bacteria have, over time, spread from person to person. Clearly, just like other forms of bacteria, the Th1 pathogens can be passed around. Although Th1 diseases are not obviously contagious, they are communicable – meaning that transmission of chornic bacteria requires close contact and is seen often within the family unit. The pathogens can also be transmitted from person to person through bodily fluids released during coughing, sneezing and other intimate contact.
People whose parents harbor high loads of the Th1 pathogens are much more likely to fall ill with a Th1 disease earlier in life. Research indicates that L-form bacteria are able to survive in sperm, so a father can pass these pathogens to his child at the moment of conception. Evidence is also growing that L-form bacteria and other pathogens are able to cross the placental barrier – meaning they can be passed from a pregnant woman to her fetus.
Researchers at Peking University in Beijing recently discovered that the H5N1 bird flu virus can pass through a pregnant woman’s placenta to infect her fetus.[1] Other studies have revealed that other bacterial species such as Borrelia burgdorferi and Mycobacterium tuberculosis are also capable of crossing the placental barrier during pregnancy.[2] If these pathogens can be passed from mother to child during gestation, then why not other forms of bacteria that are capable of transforming into the L-form?
Infants born into families whose members harbor high loads of the Th1 pathogens are also more likely to pick up these bacteria after birth. As described here, it takes an infant several weeks to develop a fully functional innate immune system, meaning that during the first few weeks of life, infants are particularly vulnerable to bacteria passed around by other members of the family unit. But in order to fully understand what eventually causes an infant to develop a full-fledged Th1 disease, one must understand the concept of successive infection.
Inside every cell in the body are sequences of DNA that make up our genes. Over thousands of years, bacteria, viruses, bacteriophages, and other pathogens have evolved mechanisms that allow them to mutate and alter the expression of the genes inside the cells they infect. Researchers at the Institute of Genetics in China found that when the bacterial species Mycobacterium tuberculosis infects immune cells called macrophages, it causes mutations in about 70 genes and affects the expression of another 366.[3]
The genes affected by pathogens inside a cell are active in regulating the activity of cytokines, coding for receptors on the surface of cells, regulating cell signaling pathways, monitoring cell death (apoptosis), controlling cell mediated immunity, regulating the production of proteins, creating enzymes, and many other essential processes.
Unfortunately, as pathogens gradually gain control over the genes that regulate the above processes, many of the mutations or changes in gene expression they produce can manipulate the host cell in order to aid their survival and reproduction. These changes also create an environment inside the cell that makes it easier for new pathogens to invade and persist. For example, Bukholm and team found that Measles virus infection of cell cultures makes the cells more susceptible to a secondary bacterial invasion.[4] Quite a few species of bacteria have even developed the ability to use the Beta-lactams antibiotics in order to increase the likelihood of DNA sharing as they transform into the L-form.
“When one of the nasty bugs arrives, does it find your DNA intact in the cell it invades, or has the DNA already been altered by a previous pathogen?” asks Marshall. “If it tries to act on an altered gene, then the result will be different from if it acts on a ‘clean’ gene.”
Thus, as each subsequent pathogen that people encounter proceeds to make even more changes to their cellular DNA, eventually these mutations create a snowball effect where, as a person acquires an increasing number of pathogens, it becomes even easier for them to pick up a diverse array of other infectious agents.
In addition to the genetic changes that accumulate as a person encounters an increasing number of pathogens, some bacteria also alter the activity of the immune system by creating substances that bind and block the Vitamin D Receptor (VDR) – a fundamental receptor of the body that controls the activity of the innate immune system and the expression of the antimicrobial peptides (AMPs) – proteins that kill bacteria, viruses, and fungi by a variety of mechanisms including disrupting membranes, interfering with metabolism, and targeting components of the machinery inside the cell. As a person acquires more and more Th1 pathogens, the activity of their innate immune system decreases, and less antimicrobial peptides are produced, making it even easier for these pathogens to survive in the body and continue to alter human cellular DNA.
But why do different members of a family develop different forms of Th1 disease? The key is that every person eventually encounters different pathogens and thus develops a unique infectious history. Maybe someone picks up various species of L-form bacteria from a roommate at college. Another person eats a contaminated piece of meat on their trip to Mexico, and on and on. The distinct mix of pathogens that each individual collects is sometimes referred to as their “pea-soup.”
Once a plethora of pathogens find themselves inside the same cell, there is no end to the number of interactions that may allow some species to develop a survival advantage. For example, researchers at the University of Washington found that when the bacterial species P. aeruginosa and S. aureus were incubated together, a protein created by P. aeruginos protected S. aureus from being killed by various forms of antibiotics. When the two pathogens were kept together for a longer period of time, P. aeruginos actually caused S. aureus to develop into small-colony variants, which are more difficult for the immune system to identify and kill.[5]
Bacteria are very competitive, so some species have evolved mechanisms that allow them to gain dominance over other strains of bacteria. The final disease state that a person develops and the population structure of bacterial communities is also influenced by the sequence in which pathogens infect the body and their respective virulence.
It doesn’t help that the world teems with the Th1 pathogens. Because they cannot be killed by pasteurization or chlorination, they are found in food, milk, and water. Since they are too small to be filtered during the “purification” process used in pharmaceutical manufacturing procedures, they can also be found in injectable medicines. Whereas people with little previous exposure to the Th1 pathogens are often able to fend off a greater number of these bacteria in their immediate environment, those whose DNA has been altered since birth and whose innate immune system and AMPs are less active, can pick up chronic disease-causing bacteria much more easily.
It’s worth nothing that people taking high levels of vitamin D are at an even greater disadvantage, since, according to biomedical research Trevor Marshall, the precursor form of vitamin D is actually a secosteroid that also binds and blocks the VDR. “The epidemic of imbalance we are facing now, where the genomes of the microbiota which I call the ‘Th1 pathogens’ have started to gain dominance over the genome of their host, is due to mistakes made during the 20th century, particularly the decision to call “vitamin D” a vitamin,” says Marshall.
Marshall’s insight can also be applied to people who pass their partners the Th1 pathogens. As evidenced by progress reports on the Marshall Protocol study site, there are a substantial number of spouses who both suffer from Th1 disease. There are also entire families on the MP - with each member is using the treatment to eliminate his or her own pea-soup.
Thus, what changes between family members is the mix of species acquired, the sequence in which the pathogens are acquired, the subsequent mutations and changes in gene expression caused by the pathogens, and the profound changes to the body’s proteins, enzymes and metabolites caused by these factors. In most people these alterations develop slowly until they become obvious and diagnosable as a disease.
According to the Marshall Protocol study site, “What disease you develop and how quickly you develop it is determined by factors such as exposure (some species are acquired before birth), route of transmission (health care workers have a higher incidence of sarcoidosis), L-form species, virulence of the species and external stimuli.”
Just this month, researchers led by John H. Werren at the University of Rochester in New York elucidated yet another way that bacterial DNA is likely passed from person to person.[6]
Due to horizontal gene transfer - or the reality that once inside the body, organisms swap genetic material with each other, and also with the host - bacterial DNA often ends up integrated into human DNA. This integrated genetic material is then passed from generation to generation, and it is very likely that many of these acquired segments of DNA may help bacteria survive more easily in the body. “Our data are indicating that [DNA transfer] is going on all the time,” says Werren.
“The mechanism therefore provides an alternative to mutation of existing DNA as a way for the species to acquire new genetic traits,” states Patrick Barry of Science News. “The transfer of DNA from bacteria means that an individual could acquire and pass on genes that it had not inherited.”
Warren’s team looked at several species of insects and roundworms infected by a parasitic bacterium called Wolbachia pipientis. The bacterium lives inside the animals’ cells, including their egg cells, giving it ready access to the chromosomes that are passed on to the animals’ offspring.
When the researchers compared the genetic code of the bacterium with the code of 11 other species: four roundworms, four fruit flies, and three wasps, they found that all but three of the fruit fly species had segments of the bacterium’s genetic code embedded in their DNA.
The team also scanned an archive of published genomes for 21 other invertebrate species and found bacterial genes in nine of them – proving that bacterial DNA can indeed be passed from mother to child. Whether this occurs in humans has not yet been demonstrated, but in principle, seems quite possible.
But this process has been taking place for centuries. Why hasn’t it been analyzed sooner?
“Such bacterial genetic code is routinely ignored during the sequencing of animals’ genomes because most scientists have assumed that the foreign DNA is a sign of contamination, Werren says. However, the new research rules out the possibility of contamination, says the scientist.
It’s obvious then, that most researchers are making a big mistake in assuming that the correlation between disease symptoms and mutated genes implies that genes (rather than the pathogens creating the genetic mutations) are responsible for the progression of an illness.
Clearly, humans accumulate a plethora of infections during their lifetimes, and it is the genetic mutations which result from active infection that play a major role in what is commonly thought of as “genetic susceptibility.” In the vast majority of diseases, parents do not pass on defective genes to their children. Instead, they often pass on the Th1 pathogens, which are the real underlying factor responsible for causing the symptoms of Th1 disease. Not that inherited genetic variations don’t have an effect in some very rare illnesses, but the vast majority of diseases result from successive infection.
Consider the fact that there is only a 20% chance that identical twins will both develop breast cancer. Geneticists attempt to explain this fact by saying that a person’s environment and upbringing can cause their genes to be expressed differently. These speculations have developed into a prominent “nature vs. nurture” debate.
But an understanding of successive infection should put a damper on these discussions as more researchers start to understand that the main environmental factor affecting the expression of genes is actually the unique mix of pathogens in any given place. Not that nurture won’t play a role – a good upbringing can help ensure that people learn to avoid high levels of vitamin D as well as immunosuppressive drugs that can hamper the activity of the immune system.
It’s true that twins are often more likely to develop the same illness. However it is quite likely that this is not because they share the same genes passed along through generations. Rather, disease correlation may result because twins are in the womb at the same time, and are exposed to the same Th1 pathogens through the mother’s placenta. Identical twins may have the highest risk of developing similar illnesses because they develop from the same sperm and egg, and thus carry the same Th1 pathogens as the sperm and egg. The genes inside the sperm and egg cells have also been mutated and consequently have the same influence on gene expression.
It comes as no surprise then, that after billions of dollars spent on research, not one gene therapy, not even research on the classic genes implicated in causing cystic fibrosis, has proven effective.
In fact, the statistical correlation in most gene studies is very low. “Part of the problem is that the folks computing the statistics are not the physicians who collected the data, and so there is a disconnect, and two disparate sets of knowledge are not quite meeting when discussing the meaning of statistical certainty,” says Marshall.
“The reason for this failure-to-perform is that the hypothesis is incorrect,” he continues. “What the researchers are seeing as changes on genes are indeed changes, but they only correlate at low levels of significance because they are due to pathogens. They are due to mutations from chronic infection. Consequently there is no causal effect - only an associative observation.”
Consider the fact that it takes most patients on the Marshall Protocol study site, who are killing intracellular bacteria at the fastest rate possible, over three years to completely recover their health. This hints at the huge amount of pathogen-altered DNA that many people, even those who are not yet displaying the hallmarks of Th1 disease, are carrying.
Surely this explains why, despite abundant research efforts, researchers have been unable to isolate any specific sequences of DNA that might make a person susceptible to a certain disease. They fail to consider that the predisposition for any Th1 illness is likely not genetic but acquired.
It is quite likely that in the coming years, medicine will move away from the hypothesis of genetic predisposition and towards the concept of successive infection. As this new understanding of the role that bacteria play in chronic disease spreads, the concept of inheritance may no longer refer to parents passing on a defective genes, but may instead be superseded by the notion that bacteria themselves are acquired from the mother during pregnancy, and through a father’s sperm.
No small number of researchers continue to cling to the idea that parents pass their children faulty genes. But if this is so, then why do multiple studies show that spouses – whose genetic backgrounds are not connected - have a higher risk of developing the same Th1 diseases that their partners have?
A six-year study of the Th1 disease sarcoidosis, conducted by the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in Maryland found that among the 215 study participants who had been diagnosed with sarcoidosis, there were five husband-and-wife couples that both had the disease. Yet sarcoidosis is such a rare disease that based on statistics there should have been none. They also noted that the risk for sarcoidosis increased nearly five-fold in parents and siblings with the disease.[7]
“It seems that the ‘germs’ [L-form bacteria] are passed around families pretty easily,” says biomedical researcher Trevor Marshall of Autoimmunity Research Foundation. “The NIH study found an incidence of sarcoidosis in spouses 1,000 times higher than could be expected.”
There have been other case reports of familial clustering of sarcoidosis. A case-controlled study of residents of the Isle of Man found that 40 percent of people with sarcoidosis had been in contact with a person known to have the disease, compared with 1 to 2 percent of the control subjects.[8] One study reported three cases of sarcoidosis among ten firefighters who apprenticed together.[9]
Dr. Garth Nicholson, a researcher at The Institute of Molecular Medicine in California has also conducted several studies on the communicability of diseases such as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, autism and Gulf War Syndrome (a disease with symptoms very similar to those of CFS). He noted that among soldiers who developed Gulf War Syndrome during the war in Iraq, 70% or more of family members showed symptoms of the same disease within 10 years after the soldier had returned from the war.
Similarly, researchers at Queens Medical School in England found that men whose spouses had hypertension had a two-fold increased risk of hypertension. Similarly, women whose spouses had hypertension also doubled their risk of developing the disease. The risk for both male and female subjects persisted after adjustment for other variables such as diet.[10]
Further evidence for communicability of Th1 disease among spouses was confirmed by British clinician and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome researcher Dr. Andy Wright, who at the 2006 Marshall Protocol Conference in Chicago, stated that he very rarely sees a family in which the spouses do not both have the L-form bacteria in their blood.
Scientists at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands also found that relatives of individuals with autism often begin to show mild autistic traits, a phenomenon known as the broader autism phenotype (BAP). In one study conducted by the group, fathers with an autistic child demonstrated a different reaction time pattern and responded slower on the social cues than control fathers.[11]
Since recent research has suggested bacteria are also involved in causing obesity, it’s not surprising that a study recently published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that a person’s risk of becoming obese increases by 57% if they have a friend who becomes obese, and by 37% if their spouse becomes obese.[12] The researchers attributed the results to social factors, but the spread of bacteria is a more logical explanation.
And none of the above studies even take into consideration the fact that spouses and siblings very often develop different forms of Th1 disease. If researchers were to look for the incidence of Th1 disease among family members and take into account all possible Th1 diagnoses, all of the above numbers would be notably higher.
Now think of all the Th1 diseases that are known to “run in families”– heart disease, arthritis, bipolar disorder, breast cancer, inflammatory bowel disease, Alzheimer’s disease – and it becomes increasingly plausible that nearly all inflammatory diseases are communicable, not genetic.
“The spread of Th1 disease in families is undeniable,” says Marshall. “Some members come down with rheumatoid arthritis, some with CFS, as well as a mix of the other Th1 diseases.”
Since Th1 diseases result from a gradual accumulation of pathogens who alter the host’s genetic material over the course of decades, each Th1 disease is due to a spectrum of symptoms that gradually accumulate into a recognizable condition.
“I recognize that most people identify a date as the point at which the disease became manifest, but I believe they are mistaken in their understanding of the insidious progression of the Th1 syndromes,” says Marshall.
As they age, some people suffer from aches and pains yet don’t make the connection between these symptoms and exposure to the Th1 pathognes. Others become so used to living with a certain level of symptoms that they are convinced that what they feel everyday is “normal.”
At first, Th1 disease may not be very pronounced. It may manifest as a little arthritic pain in the joints, slow healing of wounds, inability to maintain a healthy weight, added brain fog, or mild fatigue. Some people fail to realize that mental symptoms such as irrational aggression, paranoia, depression, obsession are also signs of Th1 disease. “These symptoms stand out like beacons once one is attuned to them,” says Marshall.
Take, for example, the following case study taken from the Marshall Protocol study site. When the patient was first diagnosed with sarcoidosis, he was convinced that an insect bite he had received during military training - which caused a six-week bout of continuous coughing, was probably what had given him the disease. But, twenty years later, when he reviewed chest X-rays taken well before that incident, the disease was clearly apparent even then. “I was clinically sick, but didn’t know it,” the patient later reported. “Nobody around me noticed, including the person who read those initial X-rays. However, hindsight is 20:20, and nobody could review the early X-rays, knowing what happened to me later, without noting the significance of the adenopathy present on them.”
Similarly, a recent study by researchers at the University of Washington found that children with autism displayed signs of the disease at birth that were not recognized by their parents at the time. The team analyzed coded home videotapes of 11 autistic and 11 normally developing children’s first year birthday parties for social, affective, joint attention, and communicative behaviors and for specific autistic symptoms. Autistic children displayed significantly fewer social and joint attention behaviors and significantly more autistic symptoms, despite the fact that their parents had considered them to be “normal” at the party.
The group went on to show that parents’ recollections of when their child “became autistic” were completely unreliable, and that behavioral traits could instead be accurately recognized by third parties from videos of early life.[13]
Fortunately, the Marshall Protocol is finally a way to stop the spread of pathogens among families that has occurred for centuries – giving the next generation a fresh start.
Information gathered from the Marshall Protocol study site suggests that once a person is taking over the minimum inhibitory concentration (MIC) of minocycline, along with Benicar, they will kill any opportunistic blood-borne bacteria that try to leave the body. At this point, there is little chance of them passing L-form bacteria to another person, as the bacteria will be killed within 48 hours of leaving the cells and entering the bloodstream.
Since the Th1 pathogens grow very slowly, it is not very difficult to kill them before they overcome the immune system, as long as a person starts the Marshall Protocol before symptoms become severe. Thus, it is important that people whose parents and siblings suffer from Th1 disease start the Marshall Protocol as soon as possible, in order to kill disease-causing bacteria that have surely been passed among the family. “The less ill a family member is, the less difficulty they will have throwing off the infection,” says Marshall.
It is also important to remember that when L-form bacteria and other pathogens alter a person’s genetic material, they are only affecting the DNA in the nucleus of infected cells, not the DNA/chromosomes that remain with the person throughout life. This means that every time a cell dies, the genetic mutations in that cell are gone for good. When the immune system has killed all infected cells, the genetic mutations once caused by the Th1 pathogens will no longer be passed from parent to child.
It also seems that once the Th1 pathogens have been killed, and the cells they infected have died, the body is usually able to recover completely. “We are seeing very few signs of permanent damage, except for structural damage (fibrosis, scarring), and the body is showing a remarkable ability to even work around the collagen, in any case,” says Marshall.
28 Responses for "Bacteria vs. genetic predisposition: the spread of chronic disease in families"
Again, GREAT work!!! Amy.
Thanks!!!!
George
Brilliant. Just brilliant. What a gift.
- SEAN (Orlando, FL)
Thank you very much for the info.
My boyfriend suffers from CFS and is currently on the MP. I understand that I should have my blood tested immediately and depending on the vitamin D results I should start the MP. In the meantime we should wear condoms. Is it correct?
Thanks for your help.
Hi Marcia,
I can’t speak with complete certainty about this issue since there is no exact data on this yet.
It’s great that you boyfriend is on the MP. Dr. Marshall is fairly sure that once someone is on the MP, the antibiotics they are taking should probably kill any bacteria that would enter the bloodstream and spread to others and maybe even keep bacteria from staying alive in the sperm. But since no official studies have been done on this yet I would definitely err on the side of caution and wear a condom.
Because he is on the MP his chances of passing you bacteria in other ways right now are much less, but it’s possible you still might get some. You may want to consider doing the MP yourself almost as a preventative measure. You could kill any of the bacteria that you probably did pick up during the time he was sick before starting the MP and keep yourself from getting any more.
I would say your immunopathology wouldn’t be very strong since you have only been exposed to the bacteria very recently, and you’d probably be able to function much like you are now. Also those people with a lower bacterial load (like you) don’t tend to become very light sensitive so that might not be a problem for you. Then in a few years both you and your boyfriend will be extremely healthy together!
If you don’t want to do the full MP you should make sure you don’t get too much vitamin D in order to keep your immune system functioning as well as possible. I would not eat supplemented foods, not eat a lot of natural foods with D, and not seek the sun (wear sunglasses outside and don’t sunbathe). Those measures should at least keep you immune system stronger so that it would be able to fight any bacteria you get passed more effectively.
Hope this helps!
This is a very good explaination, and well worded.
I can share this with any one I come in contact with, especially my daughter who has two chronically ill toddlers!
Amy:
Have you had any experience with Hydrogen Peroxide? I can assure you that it is the cure for the common cold if you use it as a nose spray and a gargle.
I had debilitating arthritis. I took Peroxide baths. No more arthritis symptoms.
We have seen peroxide baths work against ear infections, migraine headaches and the flu.
It may be anecdotal but it is true.
Bud
Hi Bud,
I personally did IVs of hydrogen peroxide before starting the MP for about a year. They cost me a ton of money. Sometimes I would get what might have been a mild die-off reaction, but it was nothing compared to the die-off I got on even the lowest dose of MP antibiotic and Benicar. I also did not improve, or at least they made no difference as far as I could tell. A year later, I was just as sick as when I started.
When you take your peroxide baths do you feel worse afterwards? We know that L-form bacteria cannot die without generating a die-off reaction, so unless you had an elevation in symptoms after each bath I’m not sure the baths could work by killing L-form bacteria.
I also take baths occasionally and sometimes I put in hydrogen peroxide and sea salt. I find that rather then helping kill my bacteria, these baths can partially alleviate some my symptoms by allowing me to sweat out some of the toxins released by my bacteria. So they may help, but are no substitute for the actual bacterial killing induced by the MP.
I should also add that once on the MP, baths allow for better tissue penetration of the antibiotics. This means that people often find that baths increase their die-off reaction since the antibiotics come in contact with more L-forms. So the relief provided by sweating in a bath may be offset by the rise in immunopathology cause by increased tissue perfusion in the bath. This tends to happen in my case which is why I can’t take baths on a regular basis.
Best,
Amy
I suffer from severe sarcoidosis affecting my lungs. How do I find a physician in my area to treat me with the Marshall Protocol? (I live in Salisbury, NC, which is close to Duke University and Wake Forest Medical Center.)
Hi Ronnie,
Sorry not to write you back more quickly. I’m actually in Sweden at the moment where I have been giving a presentation for the last few days on MP related science at that Karolinska Institute.
The California non profit agency called Autoimmunity Research Foundation (which runs the MP) has set up a website where people can ask questions before starting the treatment. The patient advocates on the site will also give you information on how to find an MP doctor.
The site is http://www.curemyth1.org
Th1 stands for diseases caused by Lform bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1. The patient advocates on the site will answer your questions free of charge.
They will tell you that you can request a list of doctors in your area off the Marshall Protocol study site who already have patients on the MP. These doctors are very likely to take you on as a patient as well.
They will also probably tell you to search the MP study site for other members in your area who are already on the treatment. Go to the upper right hand corner of the site and click on the *members* button. Then click on *location* and members will appear based on where they live. Search for those members who live near you and send them a private message askng them who their doctor is and if they could provide contact information.
You also have the option of convincing your current doctor to put you on the MP. The moderators at CuremyT1 will refers you to specific materials that you can present to your physician in order to help him/her understand the treatment.
So post on http://www.curemyth1.org! I hope you find a physician, and when you do, I look forward to seeing you in the months to come on the MP site.
Good luck!
Amy
Hi
Can I understand from this latest research, that, in plain English, a mother will ‘collect’ and pass on more of these mutating bacteria to each subsequent child she gives birth to?
My Mother was the 5th child in her family and she died in 1959 of an ‘unspecified’ Kidney disease.
I am her third child and I have Crohn’s disease, neither of my elder siblings have any problems in this area at all.
Having said that, my maternal family also suffer with symptoms of Stickler Syndrome. is there a connection there possibly???
Hi 3rdchild,
Yes, you are correct. As a mother ages, she picks up more of the Th1 pathogens (L-form, biofilm, and other persistent bacteria). It’s inevitable, because these pathogens are found in milk, water, injectable medicines, and many other places.
Also, as a person starts to accumulate the Th1 pathogens, the bacterial forms create substances that bind and block the Vitamin D Receptor. Since the Vitamin D Receptor controls the activity of the innate immune system, these bacterial substances cause the activity of the innate immune system to gradually slow down more and more. It’s like a snowball effect - the more Th1 pathogens a person picks up, the easier it is to acquire more.
So, the trend you describe is absolutely seen among families. For example my boyfriend’s family. He is the second child and had CFS. His older brother is generally healthy. His younger brother is really sick, biopolar, GI sxs etc, and his younger sister has alopecia and many other medical problems. The very sick biploar brother is the youngest.
Another important reason why women get sicker with each pregnancy has to do with the active vitamin D metabolite 1,25-D. When the Vitamin D Receptor is blocked by bacterial proteins, the receptor no longer transcribes an enzyme that keeps 1,25-D in check. So its level starts to rise.
Unfortunately when 1,25-D rises to a high enough level, it displaces molecules from the body’s nuclear receptors, receptors that control our hormone pathways. The nuclear receptors each also transcribe many families of the body’s antimicrobial peptides (natural antibiotics). So when 1,25-D binds these receptors two things happen - hormonal dysregulation increases and the body produces less natural antibiotics.
During pregnancy, the level of 1,25-D in the body rises by about 40%. This means that during pregnancy the body’s natural antibiotics are shut off at an ever greater rate. This means that the Th1 pathogens can spread with much greater ease in women who are pregnant. That’s why we find that many women report feeling worse after each pregnancy.
According to Dr. Marshall, the Th1 pathogens are largely passed down the maternal line. It sounds like your mother, who was a 5th child, definitely harbored many Th1 pathogens which have been known to widely infect the kidneys. Stickler Syndrome is also a Th1 disease, so bacteria from that illness could easily have been passed to you also.
So I’m sure all the pathogens that you surely acquired through the maternal line did significantly contribute to the development of your Crohn’s disease.
What you need to do now is stop the spread of Th1 disease in your family. If you do the Marshall Protocol, you will kill the Th1 pathogens making you ill. That means you will not spread bacteria to any potential children you may have.
It’s a great thing to be able to stop the spread of chronic disease in your family line, so I highly encourage you to do the treatment.
If you have more questions about the Marshall Protocol, the best place to ask them is at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to diseases caused by L-form bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1).
The patient advocates on that site will answer your questions free of charge.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy
The whole theory of L-Forms, Biofilm Bacteria, CWD Bacteria being the causes of many Diseases is fascinating..and of course if correct will eventually change medicine forever.
You put up a great argument for.
Ive got one argument not really against..but something that does not quite fit.
Im sure you have heard of Stem Cell Transplantation to cure Autoimmune disease.
My point is…how does stem cell transplantation cure Autoimmune disease if the pathogen..L-Form or such like is in the organs..
As you know the Immune System as such is destroyed by chemo type drugs first before pre-chemo harvested Stem cells are reintroduced to grow a new immune system…this appears to cure people..so what happened to the Bacteria ???
Can you explain how this fits. As on the surface it does not.
Thanks in advance
Jon
Hi Jon,
Thanks for posting. I’m not an expert on Stem Cell Transplantation but I know it usually accompanies strong chemotherapy.
Although I’ve worked with many patients suffering from autoimmune disease, I’ve never known anyone who has undergone the procedure.
This being the case, I’m inclined to think that it doesn’t really cure autoimmune disease, because then more people would be getting it done.
But perhaps people who undergo the procedure do feel much better for a period of time. If you give a patient chemo it will kill many of their infected cells, and I’m guessing the death of the cell also kills the bacteria inside the cell. I’m sure this applies to stem cells as well as regular cells, as several L-form researchers are confident that L-forms can infect the stem cells.
So a stem cell transplantation procedure could potentially kill off some of a person’s bacterial load, although it is highly doubtful that it wouldn’t leave some infected cells behind. The bacteria in such cells would likely begin to repopulate in the tissues of the “new immune system” after the procedure.
But chemotheraphy also does one other thing that might make a person think a stem cell transplantation has cured their disease. It weakens the immune systems so drastically that few if any of the Th1 pathogens are likely to be killed. Since it is the death of these pathogens that cause the symptoms of any particular autoimmune disease, the patient would feel much better. However any bacteria they did still harbor would continue to spread with ease during this period of great immunosuppression.
So my guess is that the procedure may kill some of the Th1 pathogens, and slow the immune system from killing them, leading to feelings of wellness. But I sincerely doubt the patient is cured. It’s almost certain that bacteria still survive the procedure and proceed to spread and cause illness again the coming years.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy
Wow Thats what I call a quick reply thankyou !
Um so quick I havnt got much of response…lol
I think how I read your reply could explain how it still fits partially.
Please do a Big Google on Autoimmune and Stem Cell Transplantation if your not overly familiar..Im sure its worth learning about ..certainly would add to your already vastly expanding knowledge base.
I can answer one thing, the reason why only a few patients get treated this way is because the procedure is risky..and only the few who have no other options or are part of a clinical trial have so far participated…its also resource intensive.
The longest time patients have been in
complete remission ( I wont say cured) is 9+ years (when the first of these procedures started.)
I know of at least two Doc’s that would love to be able to make it available as an option to more Autoimmune Diseased people.
Saying all that
I think you are onto something
All My Best
Jon
Thanks for the info Jon, but I see absolutely no reason why anyone with do a treatment with such incredible potential side effects when now autoimmune disease can be effectively treated with the Marshall Protocol.
The Marshall Protocol medicines have an excellent safety profile and all aspects of the treatment are based on a solid scientific model backed by a tremendous array of clinical evidence.
I encourage you to read more about the MP, both on this site and on the Marshall Protocol study site (www.marshallprotocol.com), so that you can hopefully inform patients with autoimmune disease about the MP rather then a procedure involving serious chemotherapy that could make them very ill indeed.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
Apologies if you thought I was trying to promote stem cell transplantation over the Marshall Protocol.
Rather my interest is purely understanding of these diseases.
As you say MP appears less risky and certainly one is unlikely to die trying MP !
I am very familiar with MP…Ive read many of your articles…that without doubt makes one think outside the current medical box.
Im very much hoping that MP will put into permanent remission all Autoimmune Diseased Patients that give it a go.
One thing I dont know is if anyone has so far failed to respond to MP…of course Im curious to know if it is the Treatment that covers all Autoimmune Diseases which I know is certainly the hope.
BTW Stem Cell Transplantation Therapy has not put everyone into remission who has gone through it..
Good Luck with continuing to discover the truth.
Jon
hi amy,i was diagnosed as ocd ,anxiety.i am on psychiatric medications for past 5 years .i suspect i have cfs.along with the meds i take ayurvedic meds and cod liver oil so that i am not mentally fatigued to the point of ultimate exhaustion. so whats ur advice to me regarding the MP.
Hi azher,
Well, my advice is that you start the Marshall Protocol as soon as possible!
The Marshall Protocol is an phase II open-based internet study trial monitored by the FDA. There is no charge to use the treatment. Patients post progress in a weekly progress report. In turn, their questions or concerns are addressed by nurse moderators.
If you want to start the MP you’ll have to work with you own doctor. You can request a list of doctors in your area who already have patients on the MP at the following link:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum11/11348.html
As you have probably realized by reading some of the articles on this site, chronic inflammatory diseases are caused by persistent, ideopathic biofilm and L-form bacteria. There are a vast number of these pathogens and they infect the brain just as easily as they infect the body.
So there are currently patients on the MP recovering from a host of physical and mental diseases. A great number of our patients struggle with anxiety, and are reporting improvement and eventual resolution of such symptoms as they gradually kill the bacteria responsible for causing them. We also have people recovering from depression, OCD, bipolar disorder, ADD, even autism.
When the MP antibiotics kill bacteria, the subsequent bacterial die-off (called immunopathogy) causes a temporary rise in symptoms. So you will have to be prepared to deal with some temporary exacerbations of you mental symptoms if you do the treatment. However ,you can manage immunopathology by dosing your antibiotics very carefully, and the reaction itself gets easier to tolerate as you progress through different stages of the treatment.
I’m not surprised that you are also experiencing symptoms of CFS. Since the pathogens that cause inflammatory disease create substances that slow the ability of the immune system to function, the fact that you have acquired a sufficient load in your head is now making it easier for other pathogens to infect your body. The MP will address your physical symptoms as well.
The cod liver oil you are taking right now is palliating your symptoms but slowing your immune system due to the fact that it is high in vitamin D. You will have to stop taking it if you start the MP. Read more about the negative effects of vitamin D on immune function here:
http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/
Before starting the MP, it’s important that you read as much as possible about the treatment on this website and on the MP study site - http://www.marshallprotocol.com.
I highly recommend that you watch the following video which gives an overview of the MP:
http://bacteriality.com/2008/05/07/mpintro/
After reading as much as possible, if you have questions about the treatment and how to get started, a great place to post them is at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org Th1 refers to diseases caused by bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1. The patient advocates on that site will answer you questions free of charge.
Good luck!
Amy
Jon -
For what it’s worth, there are some chronic infections which are not caused by cell wall deficient bacteria, but rather by viruses. Though I imagine that getting rid of CWD pathogens in the body would certainly help the immune system focus on remaining viral pathogens.
There’s a lot of debate now as to whether or not EBV and similar herpatic viruses plays a role in autoimmune diseases.
Hi Ryan,
Dr. Marshall’s model of chronic inflammatory disease does take viruses and other infectious agents besides bacteria into account.
First off, it’s important to understand that L-form bacteria are not the only bacterial forms causing inflammatory disease. Biofilm bacteria form a huge part of the microbiota as well, and also different forms of persistent pathogens. We refer to all these forms collectively as the Th1 pathogens.
When it comes to viruses, a person with a healthy immune system is generally able to fight them off or keep them under control. What happens in people with inflammatory disease is that they first acquire the Th1 pathogens. Many of the Th1 pathogens are able to create substances that bind and block the Vitamin D Receptor, thus slowing the activity of the innate immune system.
When the innate immune system isn’t working up to par, it’s easy for the patient to acquire viral infections, but they are co-infections is the sense that you can kill off the virus, but the patient will still remain ill. The patient will also continue to suffer from immune system dysregulation until the Th1 pathogens which are causing the dysfunction are killed.
So what the Marshall Protocol does is effectively kill the Th1 pathogens. Once they are gone, the immune system naturally regains the strength to keep viral infections under control. Thus, we find in our patients that viral titers lower and disappear altogether as patients kill the Th1 pathogens at the heart of their illnesses.
So those researchers who are identifying viruses in people with chronic inflammatory disease are not necessarily on the wrong track. It’s just unless they target the Th1 pathogens first, the patient will never have an immune system capable of keeping their viral infections under control.
The following two short articles give a good picture of how viruses fit into the Marshall Pathogenesis:
http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/
http://bacteriality.com/2008/02/23/misconceptions/#12
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
Wonderful work that you do!
Love this article.
I wonder if you could help me with an issue.
My grandmother had cfs + other th1 symptoms from the age of 28, she had my mum age 26 and my mum has had and continues to have a very active and healthy life, she is now 67. My brother and I both succumbed to cfs/lyme at age 28, (he is 3 years younger than me) and are now severely affected (in our 40’s) My brother has not had children, but I have had three, unfortunately all three have become sick with th1 type illnesses. My eldest is 17 years old and has PCOS, IBS (quite severely), OCD, was bitten by a tick 2 years ago whilst on holiday in Germany, a year ago she developed symptoms of CFS. My middle child has had dyslexia, mild bouts of depression and CFS from the age of 7.5, she missed four years of school and is now 80% functional (since starting on Samento four years ago). My youngest has had linear morphea (L side of face) since the age of 4, her treatment started at age 10 with 3 large doses of pulsed steroids followed by methotrexate. She is 12 now, showing some signs of improvement and no further deterioration thankfully.
I would appreciate your knowledge on a few questions that I can’t quite work out.
1) Is Linear Morphea a th1 type illness? I feel that it is but, my husband is disbelieving.
2) How does Samento/Cumanda (antimicrobial herbs) work as they have kept my daughter 80% well for four years now? She herxed terribly on them until she reached an optimum dose. Could it possibly kill l-forms?
3) I am unwell and all three of my children probably have th1. Why did my Mum and her siblings stay well (until recently) even though they had a very sick mother? Were they just carriers, feeling well themselves, but passing on the pea soup to their children? Did they just have strong immune systems?
4) I have severe cfs/lyme and whilst waiting to find a prescribing Dr (impossible in the UK) I have been taking Samento and Cumanda (antimicrobials). Would you know how these work? I have had some nasty herxs on these herbs and have only been able to increase the dosages slowly, my main worries have been cardiac as I seem to have an awful lot of bacterial load in that area and on these drops if the chest pain gets worryingly bad there is no way of stopping it without just waiting for the last dose taken to gradually peter out. The cardiac herxs have been bad, but the rest have been bearable. As soon as I can get a prescribing Dr I will be on the MP (with my 17 year old daughter), but I am worried about the cardiac herxs on the MP. Will extra Benicar definitely help in this sort of situation? What else could be given if the Benicar doesn’t work? I presume that the herxs on the MP will be a lot more extreme than the ones on Samento/Cumanda?
Thank you for your time and attention.
Hi Z,
Thanks for writing. I’m so sorry to hear that you and all your children are suffering from such a variety of Th1 diseases. Yet, it’s exciting that the MP has the potential to allow all of you to regain a state of health.
I’m very, very, glad to hear that you and your oldest daughter are planning to start the MP. I hope you find a doctor soon…
As for your questions:
1. I am quite confident that Linear Morphea is a Th1 illness and would respond to the MP. We are finding that essentially any ailment/symptom/disease that has no “known cause” is Th1 related. But the fact that the condition is responding to steroids is the give-away. Any condition that improves with the use of steroids is Th1. The steroids slow the activity of the innate immune system. Less bacteria are killed and the patient temporarily feels better (as in your daughter’s case). Plus, your youngest daughter has certainly picked up bacteria from you and your siblings. So the MP is needed for her in any case. When she starts the MP, you will soon be able to tell if her symptoms related to Linear Morphea respond to the antibiotics (if that area starts to herx) and you will have final confirmation if they do.
2) I don’t know anything about Samento/Cumanda. The fact that they elicit herx at least suggests that they arn’t totallyimmunosuppressive (any person with a Th1 illness wants to avoid immunosuppressants at all costs). So perhaps the herbs have killed off some of your daughter’s bacteria. But I guarantee they have not come close to targeting all the bacterial species making her ill. Also, herbs are risky because there is simply no data showing how they might affect the immune system or VDR. But in the time before you daughter does the MP, they don’t sound like the worst option.
3) I would say that you mother probably did not consume as many fortified products (with vitamin D) as you and your kids. Also, she probably wasn’t treated with as many immunosuppressive drugs. But even if the above is not the case, you probably picked up a lot of your mother’s bacteria right at birth. Even though the two of you got sick around the same age later in life, you bacterial load was probably much higher at that point.
When it comes to your kids, they were able to acquire not just your bacteria, but bacteria from your husband in the womb and after birth. Does your husband show any signs of Th1? If so, the extra bacteria from his side of the family could also have contributed to their illnesses.
4) I don’t know how the herbs work. But I wouldn’t worry too much about cardiac herx on the MP. Benicar goes a long, long way, in reducing the inflammation generated by herxing in the heart. So as you mention, extra Benicar can be used if necessary. Also, there is a specific path of treatment for people with cardiac symptoms called “modified phase II” People who take that route of treatment use the MP antibiotics in slightly a different order so that they more gradually wear away at bacteria in the heart. Thirdly, it should comfort you to know that up to this point, no patient, even those with cardiovascular disease on the MP, has suffered from a major cardiac event because of herx.
Hope this information helps! I assume you are also getting advice from the patient advocates at http://www.curemyth1.org? If not, that website is another excellent resource.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
Thank you so much for your reply, you have been incredibly helpful.
I will try hard to convince my husband that linear morphea is a th1 disease and that our youngest daughter needs the MP too. I thought all along that her disease was probably of bacterial origin, but the Professor at the childrens hospital in London UK was not interested in investigating any further (he did one PCR for borrelia, which came back negative) and time according to him was of the essence so steroids were commenced there and then, followed by methotrexate. I am very worried that things will start to deteriorate once again when she comes off the ‘treatment’.
My husband does have moderate bi-polar, mild dyslexia and very, very mild OCD, but apart from that is well!
Could you just clarify for me that when you start the benicar the disease process is stopped. If my daughter with linear morphea was to come off her methotrexate (safely) would the benicar blockade cause the inflammation in her face to stabilise and not deteriorate? I don’t want her to have ANY further damage to her face, as the left side of her face is already significantly slimmer in areas than the right side.
Still searching for a prescribing Dr.!
Have had my eldest daughters and my Ds tested so will post results on MP site for evaluation as soon as the results are through.
Thank you for your time and attention Amy.
Best wishes Z.
Hi Z,
I’m so sorry I have not responded to you sooner. I’ve been away at a medical conference. Benicar goes a long way in lowering the inflammation that is generated by immunopathology or the bacterial die-off response. However, your daughter with Linea Morphea is still going to experience immunopathology in order to recover. So, her symptoms of the disease are going to flare as she recovers, during the period of time when her bacteria in her face are being killed. What this means is that as your daughter’s Linaer Morphea responds to the antibiotics her symptoms will likely get temporarily worse.
Of course, the key word in that last sentence is temporarily. All symptoms on the MP get “worse” (in the sense that they flare due to die-off) before they get better. So I would expect your daughter’s face to possibly become worse at certain times during the first stages of the the MP. However, once she has killed off many of the bacteria that are causing the condition, her symptoms should stabilize, and then eventually resolve. So I can say with confidence that her Linear Morphea will definitely not deteriorate once she is on the MP (since once on the MP any signs of getting “worse are only a sign of bacterial death), but for a while the disease symptoms will be exacerbated in the way all symptoms are when the MP is initiated.
I am, however, very glad that you are looking into the MP in such detail. You may want to start the treatment on yourself or your children first. It sounds like your husband could benefit from the MP as well. Then, when you get more familiar with the immunopathological response, you can move on to treat your daughter with Linear Morphea.
Don’t forget that if you have any more questions on this issue you should post them on http://www.curemy1.org where they can also be addressed by our patient advocates.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
Sorry to bother you again, but have another question! Have posted on curemy many times and the kind people there have answered most of my queries, but I like the fact that you have a scientific/biological background.
My eldest daughter and I have had our D’s tested and posted and we are suitable for the MP.
We are finding it incredibly hard to find a Dr in the UK to prescribe the MP for us. Our current Dr, who is on the MP list is very reluctant to prescribe as she believes that we most definitely have ‘famillial disease of the mitochondria’, even though I have tried mitochondrial therapy on two occasions to no avail (lots of itching due to the high dose glyconutrients and an increase in food/chemical intolerances). According to my limited understanding, my mitochondrial test results show that the mitochondria are making energy fairly well, but the energy is being blocked from being released by copper adducts stuck on 50% of the mitochondrial walls
My maternal grandmother had cfs, my mum, her older sister and brother were all very healthy until they reached their 70’s (mum is still healthy age 67).
My brother and I have quite severe cfs (badly from age 27ish, we are now in our 40’s). My brother doesn’t have children. My three children are all ill with th1 (x1 cfs from age 7, now age 14, x1 with cfs age 16, now age 17, x1 with morphea age 4, now age 12), they showed signs of illness well before they became chronically unwell.
My mothers sisters only child also became seriously unwell aged 10 (acute cardiac disease/several cardiac arrests), he is in his 40’s and his cardiac disease remains, but is much more stable on cardiac medication (he doesn’t have children). My mothers brothers three children are all in their 40’s and are leading active and healthy lives.
I understand that the mitochondria are passed down the female line.
How did my mum and her siblings avoid mitochondrial problems and lead healthy lives, yet in my mums and her sisters case passed the diseased mitochondria onto their children? Could it miss a whole generation?Is this what happens in familial mitochondrial disease? I thought that everyone in the female line would have inherited diseased mitochondria including my mum, her sister and brother? I’m confused! Would you be able to explain this to me or point me in the right direction to find the answers to my questions. I need to be able to discuss this with my Dr to discourage her from prescribing yet more glyconutrient treatment plans, she seems fixated!
I desperately want to do the MP, no other treatment plan will do.
Thank you so much for your time and attention Amy, I really appreciate it.
Best wishes Z
Hi Z,
It seems as if all you can do is continue searching for a new doctor. CFS is not a mitochondrial disease. It is caused by chronic intraphagocytic metagenomic bacteria. So mitochondrial therapy will do nothing to make you better……which is probably why it hasn’t worked for you.
Not surprisingly the bacteria that cause CFS spread easily among family members which explains why so many people in your family suffer from the disease.
The Marshall Protocol is the only treatment to date that will effectively kill the bacteria making you sick so you need to find a doctor who is open-minded enough to prescribe you the necessary MP medications - a doctor who is willing to let go of their own pet theory about what causes CFS and embrace the research put forth by Autoimmunity Foundation.
I’m not sure how health care works in the UK, but if you can spare any money towards seeing a private doctor who will put you on the MP I feel it’s worth it.
I wish I could offer you more help but all I can encourage you to do is to keep searching for a doctor who is willing to listen to you and to let you do the MP.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
I really appreciate all your hard work spreading the word about this L-form bacteria.
I have been suffering from candida systematic for 12 years, fibromyalgia and other problems.
If I started using Minocycline would it get worse the candida? since candida grows with antibiotics, antibiotics kill good and bad bacteria, right? I even get yeast all over when I use antibiotic.
How can I find location of a provider who uses this protocol from Dr. Marshall..
I would appreciate your answer.
Sincerely,
Mari
Hi Mari,
I’m sorry to hear about your problems with Candida, fibromyalgia, and other symptoms. However, the MP uses antibiotics in a way that will not make you Candida worse. In fact, the opposite is true. Since the MP works to activate the immune response, Candida actually gets better or resolves when patients are on the treatment. The medication Benicar that MP patients take four times a day is the driving factor allowing the immune system to keep the pathogenic yeast under control.
As hopefully you’ve read in other pieces on this site, Benicar activates the Vitamin D Receptor - a fundamental receptor of the body that controls the activity of the innate immune system (the branch of the immune system that rapidly targets pathogens such as Candida).
So by strengthening the immune response against Candida, the yeast forms have a much more difficult time surviving and are generally killed as people continue taking Benicar (of course they must be taking the standard MP dose of 4 pills a day). A die-off reaction can often be expected when Candida die, as the immune system mounts a temporary inflammatory response to their death.
Because the MP antibiotics are taken in a pulsed, low dose fashion they do not promote Candida growth in the way that a standard regular antibiotic might. Most patients on the MP report that their Candida is improving or gone. I had terrible Candida when I started the MP and haven’t felt symptoms for two years.
If you have Candida it is almost certain that you harbor disease causing bacteria, as these bacteria are what slow your immune system to the point where Candida are able to proliferate. Fibromyalgia is also a result of infection with these same bacteria.
So your best option to target both your Candida, fibromyalgia (and related symptoms) is to do the MP.
You can ask for a list of MP doctors in your area by posting at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to diseases caused by bacteria. The patient advocates on the site will also answer other questions you might have about the MP free of charge.
Hope this helps!
Amy
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