10 Nov 2007
Four years ago, her eyesight and health were deteriorating. Then, after being diagnosed with sarcoidosis, this Belfast Ireland resident took action and started Autoimmunity Research Foundation’s Marshall Protocol. Today most of her symptoms are gone and she’s thrilled to have played a part in the treatment that’s revolutionizing medicine. Meet Julia Greer.
It would have been funny if it hadn’t been so serious.

For many months I’d had gradually worsening eye troubles - ripples of ‘light’, increasing floaters and cobwebs, a painful feeling of pressure, and sore tiredness. I had four courses of steroid drops that only gave temporary relief each time; then the uveitis would come back with a vengeance.
A baffled eye consultant passed me on to another one, and he in turn passed me on to a third. He was a tall, unsmiling Greek god, cold as marble. For weeks he carried out every test in his book, while I got steadily worse. I thought I was losing my sight.
Then one day his eyes lit up. “I wonder…” he mused, and sent me for a blood test and a chest X-ray. Of course I read the note requesting the tests, which said ’suspect sarcoid’. I’d never heard of it, but thanks to the internet, I was a sarcoidosis armchair expert by the time the test results came back!
When I went back, the Greek god was actually smiling. “Good news,” he said (I kid you not), “you’ve got sarcoidosis!” I think what he meant was, I was a puzzle to be solved, he’d solved it, and now I could be shunted off to another department.
As far as I was concerned, I had uveitis and hypercalcemia. I had no idea that my long string of other mild-to-moderate health problems had any connection to the sarc. In fact, when the Greek god told me I had sarcoidosis, my response was, “But that’s pretty serious, isn’t it? Why am I not more ill?” At this stage I had…
fatigue, ankle osteoarthritis, knee stiffness & pain, muscle cramps, limb & joint pains, insomnia, restless legs, ‘tennis elbow’, carpal tunnel syndrome, sweats, cough, dry mouth, tinnitus, numbness & nerve pains, lifelong eczema, hay fever, swollen glands, nose bleeds, nocturia (needing the bathroom in the night), dust mite allergy, unexplained bruising, arm fatigue (couldn’t reach something off a high shelf), phobia, brain fog, inability to read or concentrate, memory loss, and mild Obsessive Compulsive Disorder…
…but you get used to living with these things – “wear and tear, dear” as the young doctors tell us wrinklies – and I wouldn’t have said I was seriously ill. It’s only as I’ve watched this list gradually getting shorter as the MP has cured each symptom, that I’ve realised I’ve probably had sarc most of my life. Funnily enough, I never had much in the way of lung symptoms, yet most doctors think of sarc just as a lung disease.
What I learned when I googled ‘sarcoidosis’ amazed me. Other sarc sufferers were describing symptoms of health troubles I’d had for many years, without realising there might be an underlying cause linking them all.
But the various support groups didn’t hold out much hope of permanent recovery. They seemed to be full of hurting people desperately trying to encourage each other through the agonies of the standard steroid treatments. And a frequent cry was, “My doctor says my test results are now okay; why do I still feel so awful?”
Sarcinfo.com was the original MP site, before it even got the nickname Marshall Protocol, and it was the exception. There I learned of a biomedical researcher, Trevor Marshall PhD, who believed he had cured himself of sarc. His theory that it was a bacterial infection seemed to make sense. He had experimented with different antibiotics with some measure of success, notably when using the two-day pulsing regime that Thomas McPherson Brown had used for Rheumatoid Arthritis.
The breakthrough came when Marshall introduced the use of an Angiotensin Receptor Blocker, Olmesartan (Benicar), which appeared to potentiate the antibiotics and help the immune system to fight the hidden bacteria.
There were enough people trying out his treatment and excitedly reporting positive results to make me think it was worth further investigation. After a lot more reading I decided that becoming a guinea-pig for the Marshall Protocol held less risk than the only alternative my endocrinologist could offer, that I should do nothing until I was bad enough (in his eyes!) to need steroids. There were no costs involved with the MP, because advice is freely given on the website, and the medications are prescribed by your own doctor.
That was four years ago, but I didn’t start the MP then. My nice-but-conservative endocrinologist was sympathetic when I showed him the MP research papers, but he wasn’t prepared to try such a new, untested treatment.
But he did agree that staying out of the sun would help my hypercalcaemia. He said I wasn’t his first sarc patient to report a terrible flare-up of symptoms after a sunny holiday. But he was surprised when I linked the beginnings of my terrible thirst (my worst symptom of hypercalcaemia) with the time I started taking cod liver oil capsules for arthritis. He hadn’t realised that cod liver oil is enormously high in vitamin D, but I’d been alerted to it on the MP website! He agreed to let me try two weeks of light restriction and vitamin D avoidance; if that didn’t bring my calcium level down, I would need steroids to save my kidneys. The two weeks did the trick and brought my calcium down to normal, and it’s remained normal ever since; I never took steroids. I also began to sleep properly again, and some of my cramps and pains got better.
I took the MP information to my GP, but he was worried about the high doses of Olmesartan (Benicar). He did agree to let me try minocycline on its own – “just to keep the old bat happy,” I suspect!
Starting the antibiotics without the Olmesartan is not ideal; there’s a risk of too strong an immunopathological response (fondly known as ‘herx’ to MP members). I had one false start, with a migraine herx that scared me. But I didn’t give up; the carrot of a pain-free life was dangling in front of this donkey’s nose.
My second attempt went better. The first few weeks on low-dose minocycline every other day were just AMAZING. My eyes began to heal, and other symptoms began to resolve. When I went back to my GP he took one look at my beaming face and said, “This guy must be on to something. I suppose you want the Olmesartan now? Well, it wouldn’t be the first time a drug that’s intended for one thing turns out to have a completely different use.” How thankful I am for his open-mindedness!
After about three months the mino on its own had ceased to have any effect. But as soon as I started the Olmesartan, and then re-introduced low dose mino, I began getting the immune response again. It was all so exactly and reassuringly as Marshall had predicted.
That was three and a half years ago. I was only teaching mornings, so when the fatigue hit, I was able to come home and take an afternoon nap. I was working with young children, so I wasn’t able to be as strict about light avoidance as the MP required in those days, but I still got better. Some people seem to be much more light-sensitive than I was.
Any regrets? None. Any bad points? Herx. Any of your symptoms can return as immunopathology for a while, sometimes for a few minutes, sometimes for months. But herx only brings out what’s there. If it’s something you didn’t know you had, you would find out about it in due time if you let the disease run its course, so you would get it anyway. You don’t escape it by not doing the MP.
Every symptom on that list has gone, apart from brief returns as herx, except for two major ones, ankle arthritis and eczema.
The arthritis is slowly, very slowly, improving. Last year we hired a wheelchair for our holiday; this year I only took a rollator, and was able to walk over a mile at a time with it. I walk round school without my stick, and can manage stairs much better. I no longer borrow a Shopmobility electric scooter to do my shopping, though I’m still leaning on the trolley when my ankle gets tired. Just recently I’ve begun standing for the hymns in church again for the first time in years.
The eczema comes and goes with the treatment; once I had a couple of months of scratch-free heaven for the first time in my life. But it came back with the next change of antibiotic combination, and now I have to adjust the antibiotic dosing very carefully to keep it tolerable (that’s the beauty of the MP – you can fine-tune it according to your individual response). I’m sure I’ll be eczema-free one day.
The end of my annual three months of misery with hay fever was an unexpected bonus, right from the first spring on the MP.
Last school year I was working almost full time and took on a lot of administrative responsibility. I couldn’t have done that before. I can play chess again, and read without having to go over the same paragraph two or three times, and – the most important of course – I can concentrate on my favourite TV murder mystery! My memory is beginning to come back, though that’s one of the slowest things to resolve, so my desk and my kitchen are still dotted with sticky notes.
Over the last decade or so I’d developed a serious phobia about big things overhead – I couldn’t even walk under a heavy chandelier. I felt it was another form of the mild Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that had plagued me from early childhood. It got progressively worse; the big things didn’t have to be directly overhead, and if I had to go near them I felt really nauseous.
The worst was a huge ’sculpture’ (for want of a better word) like a cross between a massive dunce’s cap and a half-furled umbrella, that hangs two floors high beside the stairwell near my endocrinologist’s clinic. I can’t avoid passing it to get there, though I always took a route that didn’t go directly underneath it. It got to the stage where I was slinking along the far side of the corridor with my hand up to my eyes like blinkers. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the ‘men in white coats’ had come to take me away to the psychiatric ward!
The improvement came fairly suddenly about eighteen months into the MP. The Christmas decorations went up in our mall, with a huge Santa sleigh and galloping reindeer hanging from the ceiling. I found I could go right underneath them – I couldn’t go anywhere near them the previous year. Hubby watched me in amazement. “Hey,” he said, “you’re not meant to be able to do that!”
The real test was the next appointment with my endocrinologist. I didn’t care about the blood tests – I wanted to see the dunce’s cap that I’d had nightmares about for two years! I was able to walk past it normally, and even stopped and studied the weird thing. Still wasn’t able to go underneath it yet, but such an improvement!
Two and a half years into the MP, I walked right underneath it and even looked up under it, and thought to myself, wow, that’s big – just the way normal people must do all the time. I’m convinced that the phobia was caused by bacterial infection of the brain, the MP dealt with it, and the worsening was herx. It makes me think that most mental illness is probably caused by bacteria.
My GP’s a very wise and experienced guy, and while he’s delighted for me, he knows I’m only one success story. Nevertheless he recently agreed to take on a second MP patient, this time for ME/CFS.
My nice-but-conservative endocrinologist remains skeptical, but continues to see me about twice a year, because, as he puts it, he wants to see what happens next!
Fatigue and eczema. And not being able to eat fresh Irish salmon!
But also… I look around at my friends, my family, and see my symptoms everywhere… symptoms that the MP is now curing for others, no matter what disease name they’re given… the frustration of not being able to help them because it takes so long to get new treatments recognised… watching a dear friend die of ME/CFS, because the Marshall breakthrough came too late for her… watching some of my own dear family developing symptoms that I know all too well, and knowing there’s no hope of them getting on to the MP until their diseases have progressed far enough to show up in tests and be given a name, because they don’t look ill.
Some, especially early on. It’s only natural, when a treatment is new and relatively untested. But what’s the choice? Let the disease run its course? Then buy a wheelchair, a coffin and shares in an oxygen company. Let Prednisone run its course, with all its side-effects? No thanks.
Be very careful to follow the instructions. Make sure your prescribing doctor doesn’t try to “modify” the MP in any way. Post often on the MP website, because the MP moderators are the experts and can often spot trouble before it hits.
For me? I’m sixty going on sixteen. I believe my mobility is going to continue to improve. Life is good.
I have a dream… that one day I’ll go for long country walks again, and maybe even climb mountains again… well, little ones. But with a loving Heavenly Father watching over me, I can say like Charles Kingsley in Water Babies, “And then if my story is not true, something better is.”
It’s exciting being a part of history in the making, because the MP is not just a new treatment for sarc; it’s a new understanding on a molecular level of how the immune system and its invaders interact. It’s giving us new insights into chronic diseases and some of the so-called diseases of aging as well. It’s a breakthrough that must surely change the future of medicine the way Louis Pasteur’s confirmation of germ theory did in the nineteenth century.
But I’m not holding my breath for recognition by the medical world. One day perhaps there will be an ‘MP clinic’ in every surgery. Perhaps in my children’s lifetime, not mine.
Interviewer’s Note: this interview was conducted in written format. I sent Julia the questions, and she answered them in writing.
6 Responses for "Interview with Julia Grier — Sarcoidosis, OCD, uveitis"
Hello Julia,
I have had Sarcoidosis for about 5 years that I know of. I am at stage 3 as far as my lung scarring goes I have it in my lungs and eyes as far as I know.
Thank you for sharing what you know where you have been and where you are today. To GOD be the glory. I
have not been on the MP site in a very long time but
I will change that soon thanks to the information you shared with me. I have a lot of swelling not quite sure where it’s all from my last trip to the hospital I had fluid on my lungs. Have you ever had problems with swelling legs feet hands and stomach? I am also having problems with my eyes the pressures just stays elevates even with me taking 4 different drops for my pressures.I have the floaters and stabing pains along with soreness. I was also diagnoised with uveitis, and sarcoidosis in left eye,glucoma in right and my pressures in left are always higher than the ones in my left. I had been blessed not to have to take the prednisone for long periods of time up until this May. I have been on it 7 months now and for some reason both my Blood Pressures and my eye pressures go crazy even on the lower dose of just 5mgs a day.
Well I could go on and on but I wont what I must say is thanks for sharing I pray you know you are a God sent. Continue to do what you are doing and be blessed for your dedication and not being afraid to step out on faith and your faithfulness and determination not to sit by and do nothing says a lot about your character. Would you please send me any information or sites where I can do more research. A lot of the problems you have had I have experienced. I know God let our paths cross for a reason and for that I thank Him. For you caring enough taking the time out to share teach and help me and so many others in the process tells me you are a child os God with a heart of gold. I know He is looking down at you smiling right now.. What can I say Julia Grier you are a blessing from God keep doing what you are doing and I think I will write less and research more thanks to you and your taking the time out to share.
I’m closing for now but please know that I will keep you and yours in my daily prayers. God bless you Julia.
Tested But Blessed,
Valencia
Hi Valencia,
Thank you for your kind words. But it’s Amy who does all the work running this site, I only answered her questions! I’ll email you with some more information about the MP.
xxJulia
Hi Valencia,
Your symptoms do seem very similar to the symptoms that Julia experienced before the MP. I’m confident that if you start the MP you will end up exactly like Julia and get your health back.
To get started go to the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org.
There are patient advocates on the site who can address any questions you have about the treatment and help you get started.
Of course reading as much information on the Marhsall Protocol study site - http://www.marshallprotocol.com, is also an important part of learning how to correctly begin the treatment.
All the best,
Amy
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Hi there
I have discovered your site. I live in the UK.
My mom is very ill with sarcoidosis. She has had it over ten years now. She has uveitis whcih caused the tear ducts to become redundant with the granulomas that formed so they water constantly, sarcoidosis of the sinuses, inflamed hilum in the lungs, enlarged and diseased lymph glands like a chain around her neck, swollen legs with weeping sores that take ages to heal, enlarged liver.
She has refused the low dose steroid treatments as she also has spondylitis of the spine, and the steroids would worsen this condition. She also suffers from long term high blood pressure. She can’t walk more than a few metres without having to sit down and she says she can’t get the air in and feels like shes hit a brick wall. She suffers from chronic fatigue, insomnia, paranoia, OCD and depression.
The swelling in her leg is worse than ever and its been like it for years, but all she gets from medical professionals is your a medical mystery. Finally a young doctor has taken pity on her suffering and poor quality of life and done a further investigation following an appalling basic lung capacity test, hes now ordered indepth breathing tests and 3D scan of the heart. I have read that sarcoidosis can affect the heart. Do you know of anyone who has this?In your experience do these symptons sound like it could be that?
Also is the Marshall Protocol treatment available in the UK?
I am desperate to help her
Thank you SARAH
Hi Sarah,
I’m so sorry to hear about your mother and how much she is suffering.
Your mother is very ill, but this site discusses a treatment that can potentially allow her to recover. It’s called the Marshall Protocol and is part of a phase II study monitored by the FDA.
Right now, we are in the midst of a major shift in the way the medical community views diseases like sarcoidosis and the other conditions such as uveitis that you mother suffers from.
Her current doctors might dismiss her condition or say there is no cure, but other researchers and doctors now understood that sarocidosis, uveitis and other inflammatory disease are actually bacterial illnesses. The following two articles describe the the bacteria that cause these diseases in greater detail and explain how they are able to survive undetected for long periods of time in the body:
http://bacteriality.com/2007/08/15/l-forms/
http://bacteriality.com/2008/05/26/biofilm/
The Marshall Protocol can allow your mother to effectively kill the bacteria making her sick. The treatment uses pulsed, low-dose antibiotics and a medication that activates the immune system to gradually wear away at bacteria. These articles describe the Marshall Protocol in greater detail. You should definitely show them to your Mom.
http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/
http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/11/antibiotics/
I highly encourage both of you to also watch the following video about the MP that describes the treatment and the extensive scientific research that forms its backbone.
http://bacteriality.com/2008/05/07/mpintro/
The Marshall Protocol (MP) will be difficult for your mother because killing off the bacteria that are making her ill is very hard. That’s because when chronic bacteria die, they cause the immune system to mount an inflammatory response to their death that generates a rise in symptoms. So if your Mom does the MP, she will have to deal with temporary increases in her symptoms before she gets better. But if she succeeds in killing all her bacteria, she will become healthy again.
If, after reading as much about the Marshall Protocol on this site and on the study site itself - http://www.marshallprotocol.com - you and your mother decide that she would like to do the treatment, one of you should post about her decision at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to disease caused by bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1). The patient advocates on the site will help evaluate if she can become part of the study because there is a waiting list to get in.
In the meantime, if you have questions about the MP (after you have done as much reading as possible, you can also ask them on curemyth1.org, where the patient advocates will answer them free of charge.
Best,
Amy
PS Yes, the bacteria that cause sarcoidosis can infect the heart…but the MP can kill those bacteria.
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