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	<title>Comments on: Claims made by vitamin D proponents make little sense in the face of recent study on cardiovascular disease</title>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/02/15/sup/comment-page-1/#comment-17800</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex,

I was not aware of this study and it is one of the most interesting I have read in a long time!

Note that vitamin D consumption not only increased myocardial infarction risk but also increased cholesterol levels.  Also, subjects consuming more D did have a higher risk of developing kidney stones - a finding that has played out in more recent studies on vitamin D.  For example, one of the most recent and largest meta-analyses on vitamin D supplementation and bone mass found a 17% increase in kidney stones risk among subjects given higher levels of D (the study is mentioned in the article you just read).

It&#039;s extremely interesting to see what researchers were thinking about D back in the 70&#039;s before all organizations like the vitamin D council worked to give D the very mistaken reputation of a  &quot;wonder substance.&quot;  Instead, Linden and team were actually concerned that people were consuming over 30 ug/ml of vitamin D a day - which is along the same lines of the level those of us working with MP-related research have also found to be a concern.  They clearly thought, like we do, that sufficient vitamin D could be obtained from a non-supplemented food supply.

So at the end of the paper Linden and team come to a conclusion very similar to what we are advising today. A quote from their conclusion:

&quot;Various national committees (British Medical Association, 
1950; Canadian Bulletin on Nutrition, 1953; American Academy 
of Pediatrics, 1963, 1965) have recommended the discontinuation 
of fortifying food with vitamin D. In the present study fortified 
food provided only a minor part of the individual vitamin D 
consumption. An attempt should be made to restrict the intake 
from all sources save from the production of the skin. Efforts 
should particularly be made to dispel the concept of vitamin D 
preparations as tonics, and consideration should be given to the 
ease with which vitamin D preparations can be acquired through 
commercial sale.&quot; 

I did not even know there was a movement to take vitamin D OUT of the food chain in the 60&#039;s.  How different things might be today if they had succeeded!

By the way, here&#039;s access to the full text of the article for those interested:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=4425790

Thanks again Alex, a really interesting read.

Best.

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>I was not aware of this study and it is one of the most interesting I have read in a long time!</p>
<p>Note that vitamin D consumption not only increased myocardial infarction risk but also increased cholesterol levels.  Also, subjects consuming more D did have a higher risk of developing kidney stones &#8211; a finding that has played out in more recent studies on vitamin D.  For example, one of the most recent and largest meta-analyses on vitamin D supplementation and bone mass found a 17% increase in kidney stones risk among subjects given higher levels of D (the study is mentioned in the article you just read).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s extremely interesting to see what researchers were thinking about D back in the 70&#8242;s before all organizations like the vitamin D council worked to give D the very mistaken reputation of a  &#8220;wonder substance.&#8221;  Instead, Linden and team were actually concerned that people were consuming over 30 ug/ml of vitamin D a day &#8211; which is along the same lines of the level those of us working with MP-related research have also found to be a concern.  They clearly thought, like we do, that sufficient vitamin D could be obtained from a non-supplemented food supply.</p>
<p>So at the end of the paper Linden and team come to a conclusion very similar to what we are advising today. A quote from their conclusion:</p>
<p>&#8220;Various national committees (British Medical Association,<br />
1950; Canadian Bulletin on Nutrition, 1953; American Academy<br />
of Pediatrics, 1963, 1965) have recommended the discontinuation<br />
of fortifying food with vitamin D. In the present study fortified<br />
food provided only a minor part of the individual vitamin D<br />
consumption. An attempt should be made to restrict the intake<br />
from all sources save from the production of the skin. Efforts<br />
should particularly be made to dispel the concept of vitamin D<br />
preparations as tonics, and consideration should be given to the<br />
ease with which vitamin D preparations can be acquired through<br />
commercial sale.&#8221; </p>
<p>I did not even know there was a movement to take vitamin D OUT of the food chain in the 60&#8242;s.  How different things might be today if they had succeeded!</p>
<p>By the way, here&#8217;s access to the full text of the article for those interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=4425790" rel="nofollow">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&amp;pubmedid=4425790</a></p>
<p>Thanks again Alex, a really interesting read.</p>
<p>Best.</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/02/15/sup/comment-page-1/#comment-17795</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, there is an old study from 1974 showing an increase of Myocardial Infarction and Vitamin D Intake, from Victor Linden.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/3/5932/647?ijkey=8db272a5c254ca541a9f54361696bba78f16175b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

&quot;Student&#039;s t test for trend showed increasing probability of myocardial infarction with increasing intake of vitamin D, and more infarction patients than controls had a history of kidney stone&quot;

Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, there is an old study from 1974 showing an increase of Myocardial Infarction and Vitamin D Intake, from Victor Linden.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/3/5932/647?ijkey=8db272a5c254ca541a9f54361696bba78f16175b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/3/5932/647?ijkey=8db272a5c254ca541a9f54361696bba78f16175b&amp;keytype2=tf_ipsecsha</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Student&#8217;s t test for trend showed increasing probability of myocardial infarction with increasing intake of vitamin D, and more infarction patients than controls had a history of kidney stone&#8221;</p>
<p>Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/02/15/sup/comment-page-1/#comment-12428</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary,

Very interesting!  It&#039;s true (as in the study in the study comparing soldiers that you mention) that disease causing bacteria have spread to different extents in various parts of the world.  Chronic forms included.

Most of these differences are now regarded to be due to some aspect of diet or culture, but I believe infectious agents will certainly enter the picture as the major contenders in the coming years.

Best,

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,</p>
<p>Very interesting!  It&#8217;s true (as in the study in the study comparing soldiers that you mention) that disease causing bacteria have spread to different extents in various parts of the world.  Chronic forms included.</p>
<p>Most of these differences are now regarded to be due to some aspect of diet or culture, but I believe infectious agents will certainly enter the picture as the major contenders in the coming years.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antibiotics and cell-wall bacteria may have something to do with this too.  Some of the older numbers on heart disease have a censored sample because folks were dying of acute infection - CWD bacteria didn&#039;t have time to work since these folks were already dead.  

There&#039;s some neat work done by some of the &quot;alternative thyroid&quot; folks referencing autopsies done in the Korean War where fit US and European soldiers were already showing cardiovascular disease and the Asians were not.  People were guessing genetics, but no one realized that the infectious disease rate in the East was about 100 years behind the West at that point.  

With improved sanitation, antibiotics, and health care, bacteria actually have time to do their work in a CWD form.  So now we get increased heart disease, HBP, diabetes, and autoimmune problems rather than dying of TB or pneumonia.  It&#039;s the same patient, you just buy them more years of life and treat them 20 years later for a different problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antibiotics and cell-wall bacteria may have something to do with this too.  Some of the older numbers on heart disease have a censored sample because folks were dying of acute infection &#8211; CWD bacteria didn&#8217;t have time to work since these folks were already dead.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s some neat work done by some of the &#8220;alternative thyroid&#8221; folks referencing autopsies done in the Korean War where fit US and European soldiers were already showing cardiovascular disease and the Asians were not.  People were guessing genetics, but no one realized that the infectious disease rate in the East was about 100 years behind the West at that point.  </p>
<p>With improved sanitation, antibiotics, and health care, bacteria actually have time to do their work in a CWD form.  So now we get increased heart disease, HBP, diabetes, and autoimmune problems rather than dying of TB or pneumonia.  It&#8217;s the same patient, you just buy them more years of life and treat them 20 years later for a different problem.</p>
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