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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-14462</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Georgia,

I know that the latest research on vitamin D contradicts much of what you are used to hearing by the media and must seem confusing at first.

The following article describes 14 misconceptions about vitamin D and how they are interpreted in the light of new research on vitamin D published by biomedical Trevor Marshall.  I think the piece should answer many of your questions.

http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/

I also recommend you continue to read articles on this site and on the following website to learn more about new perspectives on vitamin D:

www.marshallprotocol.com

If your doctor wants access to papers and presentations on the dangers of vitamin D supplementation they can be found here:

http://mpkb.mp-dev.com/doku.php?id=home:publications:home

Best,

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Georgia,</p>
<p>I know that the latest research on vitamin D contradicts much of what you are used to hearing by the media and must seem confusing at first.</p>
<p>The following article describes 14 misconceptions about vitamin D and how they are interpreted in the light of new research on vitamin D published by biomedical Trevor Marshall.  I think the piece should answer many of your questions.</p>
<p><a href="http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/"  rel="nofollow">http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/</a></p>
<p>I also recommend you continue to read articles on this site and on the following website to learn more about new perspectives on vitamin D:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marshallprotocol.com"  rel="nofollow">http://www.marshallprotocol.com</a></p>
<p>If your doctor wants access to papers and presentations on the dangers of vitamin D supplementation they can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://mpkb.mp-dev.com/doku.php?id=home:publications:home"  rel="nofollow">http://mpkb.mp-dev.com/doku.php?id=home:publications:home</a></p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Georgia</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-14246</link>
		<dc:creator>Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am confused... the vitamin D studies with low doses of vitamin d seem to show no benefit (on bone, cancer, etc) and the studies that give higher vitamin D often show benefit. What are your thoughts on this? 

How do these finding fit into MP theory?  Maybe low doses of vitamin d help the bacteria to survive... but high doses could be harmful to the bacteria?

What do you think about all of the immune reviews about vitaminD on pubmed from 2007 through 2008? I don't get alot of it - alphabet soup! Th1 and Th2 and CD and cytokines are confusing but it seems like they disagree with MP.

I live up north and have kept my vitamin d down but my joints ache, I'm having a relapse (autoimmune disease)... well, I guess I'm starting to wonder about whether MP is right for me. My doctor says he can't test for the bacteria in the cells. Is that right? 

Thank you very much in advance for your help,
G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused&#8230; the vitamin D studies with low doses of vitamin d seem to show no benefit (on bone, cancer, etc) and the studies that give higher vitamin D often show benefit. What are your thoughts on this? </p>
<p>How do these finding fit into MP theory?  Maybe low doses of vitamin d help the bacteria to survive&#8230; but high doses could be harmful to the bacteria?</p>
<p>What do you think about all of the immune reviews about vitaminD on pubmed from 2007 through 2008? I don&#8217;t get alot of it - alphabet soup! Th1 and Th2 and CD and cytokines are confusing but it seems like they disagree with MP.</p>
<p>I live up north and have kept my vitamin d down but my joints ache, I&#8217;m having a relapse (autoimmune disease)&#8230; well, I guess I&#8217;m starting to wonder about whether MP is right for me. My doctor says he can&#8217;t test for the bacteria in the cells. Is that right? </p>
<p>Thank you very much in advance for your help,<br />
G.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-13480</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

What can I say? :) You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>What can I say? <img src='http://bacteriality.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> You&#8217;re certainly entitled to your opinion.</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-13254</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I was starting to believe that you were looking at the Marshall Protocol through unbiased eyes, but you blew that away with this response. Respect works both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I was starting to believe that you were looking at the Marshall Protocol through unbiased eyes, but you blew that away with this response. Respect works both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-12239</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nigel,

No, I don't believe that comparison is accurate.  While Marshall has been known to come off as overly mean or bold on comments on the MP site he has never (to my knowledge) made such a comment to the head of a well respected institution. 

Marshall's critical comments are usually directed to people who challenge the integrity of the MP site and are usually an attempt to put an end to a discussion that could accidentally mislead others on the protocol.

Furthermore, I know that Dr. Marshall has made a considerable effort to work on his tone.  I haven't seen him lash out in a comment for quite some time now and you'll  notice his responses are quite professional, even to random people on the MP site that even I might respond to in a more aggressive tone.   

The difference between Marshall and Cannell is that while Marshall may have made some passionate comments in the past, he's largely eliminated the bacterial load in his head and is now much more calm and composed then when he started posting about the MP several years back.  

In contrast, Cannell is taking copious quantities of the vitamin D he promotes and is allowing the chronic bacteria that lead to anger spells and uncontrollable emotions to proliferate.

So particularly these days, I don't think the two can be compared at all.

Best,

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nigel,</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t believe that comparison is accurate.  While Marshall has been known to come off as overly mean or bold on comments on the MP site he has never (to my knowledge) made such a comment to the head of a well respected institution. </p>
<p>Marshall&#8217;s critical comments are usually directed to people who challenge the integrity of the MP site and are usually an attempt to put an end to a discussion that could accidentally mislead others on the protocol.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I know that Dr. Marshall has made a considerable effort to work on his tone.  I haven&#8217;t seen him lash out in a comment for quite some time now and you&#8217;ll  notice his responses are quite professional, even to random people on the MP site that even I might respond to in a more aggressive tone.   </p>
<p>The difference between Marshall and Cannell is that while Marshall may have made some passionate comments in the past, he&#8217;s largely eliminated the bacterial load in his head and is now much more calm and composed then when he started posting about the MP several years back.  </p>
<p>In contrast, Cannell is taking copious quantities of the vitamin D he promotes and is allowing the chronic bacteria that lead to anger spells and uncontrollable emotions to proliferate.</p>
<p>So particularly these days, I don&#8217;t think the two can be compared at all.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Tufnel</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-12228</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Tufnel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- my third post here at bacteriality.com in the same day! Amy, I hope you don't think I came to your site to take cheap potshots (I didn't!), but I have to comment on this:

Dr. Jacob Cannell quote-

"What you are actually doing is defending the American Cancer Society’s decision not to follow the Canadian Cancer Society’s recommendation of 1000 IU per day of vitamin D. Say you are wrong and Canada is right? On whose hands will that blood be?”
..and Amy's comment-

"Apparently for the Vitamin D Council, this is what passes for professional discourse."

In all fairness, Cannell's dramatic statement is the sort of thing I've read numerous times coming from Trevor Marshall. I mention this to point out that all of us get pretty passionate about our respective beliefs. The words seem justified when you agree with the individual, but a tad nutty when you don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- my third post here at bacteriality.com in the same day! Amy, I hope you don&#8217;t think I came to your site to take cheap potshots (I didn&#8217;t!), but I have to comment on this:</p>
<p>Dr. Jacob Cannell quote-</p>
<p>&#8220;What you are actually doing is defending the American Cancer Society’s decision not to follow the Canadian Cancer Society’s recommendation of 1000 IU per day of vitamin D. Say you are wrong and Canada is right? On whose hands will that blood be?”<br />
..and Amy&#8217;s comment-</p>
<p>&#8220;Apparently for the Vitamin D Council, this is what passes for professional discourse.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all fairness, Cannell&#8217;s dramatic statement is the sort of thing I&#8217;ve read numerous times coming from Trevor Marshall. I mention this to point out that all of us get pretty passionate about our respective beliefs. The words seem justified when you agree with the individual, but a tad nutty when you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan W.</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-7058</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's some research which shows that people with fibromyalgia have some trouble producing human growth hormone, and also that they have trouble entering deep sleep where human growth hormone is typically produced. 

There's research showing that 1,25 D3 inhibits the production of human Growth Hormone &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fibromyalgia&#38;oldid=216506809#cite_note-64" rel="nofollow"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;

Excess 1,25 D3 due to pathogenic VDR dysregulation is consistent with Trevor Marshall's ideas.

But I can't find any citation which says that suppression of human growth hormone in Fibromyalgia patients might be due to heightened levels of 1,25 D3. 

Wikipedia isn't going to accept the connection based on my say-so. I'm sure the link between VDR dysregulation and hGH production can't be original to myself, but I'm having trouble citing someone else who has already made the observation. Could you help?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some research which shows that people with fibromyalgia have some trouble producing human growth hormone, and also that they have trouble entering deep sleep where human growth hormone is typically produced. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s research showing that 1,25 D3 inhibits the production of human Growth Hormone <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fibromyalgia&amp;oldid=216506809#cite_note-64"  rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
<p>Excess 1,25 D3 due to pathogenic VDR dysregulation is consistent with Trevor Marshall&#8217;s ideas.</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t find any citation which says that suppression of human growth hormone in Fibromyalgia patients might be due to heightened levels of 1,25 D3. </p>
<p>Wikipedia isn&#8217;t going to accept the connection based on my say-so. I&#8217;m sure the link between VDR dysregulation and hGH production can&#8217;t be original to myself, but I&#8217;m having trouble citing someone else who has already made the observation. Could you help?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-7043</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard,

Good to hear from you.  I'm sorry to hear you are feeling so physically bad, but I'm glad you still have a little energy left to read.

It's seems like you have a good grasp of the VDR/AMP/nuclear receptor dysfunction that goes on as people accumulate the Th1 pathogens.

Yes, it does make sense that an infected thymus would lead to dyregulated T cell levels.  I'm sure you'll notice immunopathology in the organ if you start the MP.

As you have realized now there's a lot of science to digest in order to fully understand the MP.  Glad my site can be of help as a place to find reading material. 

Best,

Amy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p>
<p>Good to hear from you.  I&#8217;m sorry to hear you are feeling so physically bad, but I&#8217;m glad you still have a little energy left to read.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s seems like you have a good grasp of the VDR/AMP/nuclear receptor dysfunction that goes on as people accumulate the Th1 pathogens.</p>
<p>Yes, it does make sense that an infected thymus would lead to dyregulated T cell levels.  I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll notice immunopathology in the organ if you start the MP.</p>
<p>As you have realized now there&#8217;s a lot of science to digest in order to fully understand the MP.  Glad my site can be of help as a place to find reading material. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Amy</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Campo</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-7017</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Campo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amy, 


well, I just read the cognitive dysfunction article. Good work! I  too have had a noticeable increase in dyslexia and dyscalculia. The PKA hypothesis concerning memory performance makes sense to me. I have to go back to school on AMP synthesis, but it all seems to fit together. It's really a well done, professional quality study, I mean post-doc stuff, and you ought to get a full scholorship into the grad school of your choice. 

I'm still trying to contextually fit it all in to my primitive understanding of cell-mediated immunity--interestingly, in my own case, I have had strange T3 and T1 inversions, which only makes me more inclined to think that I am overburdened with these CWD pests, given my involuting thymus gland's role in the process of VDR impairment. 

I'm probably going to just read all weekend, because I feel so bad physically. I'll keep quiet until I've integrated more of the materials on your site.  But thanks. Informative, inspirational and good science, to boot!

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amy, </p>
<p>well, I just read the cognitive dysfunction article. Good work! I  too have had a noticeable increase in dyslexia and dyscalculia. The PKA hypothesis concerning memory performance makes sense to me. I have to go back to school on AMP synthesis, but it all seems to fit together. It&#8217;s really a well done, professional quality study, I mean post-doc stuff, and you ought to get a full scholorship into the grad school of your choice. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to contextually fit it all in to my primitive understanding of cell-mediated immunity&#8211;interestingly, in my own case, I have had strange T3 and T1 inversions, which only makes me more inclined to think that I am overburdened with these CWD pests, given my involuting thymus gland&#8217;s role in the process of VDR impairment. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably going to just read all weekend, because I feel so bad physically. I&#8217;ll keep quiet until I&#8217;ve integrated more of the materials on your site.  But thanks. Informative, inspirational and good science, to boot!</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Proal</title>
		<link>http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/22/vitamind2/#comment-6974</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Proal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am feeling vastly better than before.  The fact that I had to
rest in bed doing nothing at all for three years has made me all the
more ambitious as I regain the ability to write, travel, and spend
time with friends again.  So I'm as active as I can possibly be.

I have found that my cognitive symptoms respond very well to the MP.
In fact, I feel they improved even quicker than my physical symptoms.
Of course I had to deal with a good deal of brain immunopathology
first, before they improved.  Right now I'm studying for the GRE in
order to apply to grad school and it's nice to get the problems right!
 My years of college (in terms of coursework) just seem like a blur as
I retained very little.

I recently gave a presentation about cognitive dysfunction in women
with CFS at the Days Of Molecular Modeling Conference in Karolinska.
Although it focuses on women, most of the mechanisms (besides what
happens during pregnancy!) also apply to men.  This article describes
that presentation in more detail.

http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/09/cognitive-dysfunction/

I'm so glad you plan to read more about MP and possibly pursue it as a
treatment option!

Best,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am feeling vastly better than before.  The fact that I had to<br />
rest in bed doing nothing at all for three years has made me all the<br />
more ambitious as I regain the ability to write, travel, and spend<br />
time with friends again.  So I&#8217;m as active as I can possibly be.</p>
<p>I have found that my cognitive symptoms respond very well to the MP.<br />
In fact, I feel they improved even quicker than my physical symptoms.<br />
Of course I had to deal with a good deal of brain immunopathology<br />
first, before they improved.  Right now I&#8217;m studying for the GRE in<br />
order to apply to grad school and it&#8217;s nice to get the problems right!<br />
 My years of college (in terms of coursework) just seem like a blur as<br />
I retained very little.</p>
<p>I recently gave a presentation about cognitive dysfunction in women<br />
with CFS at the Days Of Molecular Modeling Conference in Karolinska.<br />
Although it focuses on women, most of the mechanisms (besides what<br />
happens during pregnancy!) also apply to men.  This article describes<br />
that presentation in more detail.</p>
<p><a href="http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/09/cognitive-dysfunction/"  rel="nofollow">http://bacteriality.com/2008/03/09/cognitive-dysfunction/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad you plan to read more about MP and possibly pursue it as a<br />
treatment option!</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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