31 Mar 2008
At the lowest point in his life, this Canadian native was so sick that he could do nothing more then lie in a dark room, thinking about the fact that his body seemed to be on fire. His symptoms of twitching, swollen muscles and raging emotions were out of control. However, after a series of antibiotic regimens that finally led him to Autoimmunity Research Foundation’s Marshall Protocol, he has recovered to the point where he feels like a kid in a candy store. Meet Ken L.

When I first started to suffer from symptoms of Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS) I was living in South America. 2001 was the beginning of a gradual downhill slide. My feet started to become very sore, I became increasingly forgetful, and my balance was impaired. But it wasn’t until May 1st of that year that I was suddenly struck with incredibly severe symptoms. That day, when I went into the office, I felt terrible. I told my co-worker “Something is very wrong with me”, and he proceeded to take me to the hospital. My symptoms were terrifying . I had a crawling sensation that started in my hands and feet and crept up the back of my legs, until it finally reached my arms and the back of my head.
I saw an internist who thought I had Guillain-Barre Syndrome, an extremely debilitating disease that occurs when the nerves outside the brain become demyelinated. I was told I would have to spend three months on a respirator and that I would lose the ability to move my body at all for up to three months. Naturally I was terrified. The doctor told me that if I agreed to take large amounts of human immunoglobulin then I might be able to thwart development of the disease. Apparently this had curbed the onset of the illness for some of his patients in the past, although he had absolutely no idea why or how it worked.
So I was given $20,000 worth of IV immunoglobulin which, in the end, had absolutely no effect on my symptoms. I kept tingling and twitching. Later, to my utmost dismay, I learned that immunoglobulin is collected from the blood of thousands of people, and contains their antibodies. In hindsight, this seems to indicate that Guillain-Barre is an infection. At any rate, it made no difference in my treatment and I now realize that the immunoglobulin was probably contaminated with a great deal of L-form bacteria, bacteria that each of those thousands of people most likely harbored.
Although it had nothing to do with the immunoglobulin treatment, five days later my symptoms became slightly more subdued and I was allowed to leave the hospital. I flew back to Canada where I saw a series of doctors. The second doctor I saw told me I did not have Guillain-Barre, and was unable to explain my symptoms, yet I was still incredibly sick. I was so tired I could hardly move. I had developed fibromyalgia-like pain and joint pain. I also experienced massive body tremors. My short-term memory rapidly deteriorated and my emotions started to flare out of control. It was clear that my nervous system had become dysregulated and that my ability to process sensory input was all messed up. My gait was unsteady and I couldn’t walk straight.
My wife was very shocked at my condition and didn’t know what to make of it. The husband she once knew now seemed insane and was essentially bound to a wheelchair. But despite the physical torture that I was enduring, I had no visible symptoms. It didn’t look as if there was anything wrong with me. I entered the hardest period of my life. I discovered that I could no longer tolerate bright lights or loud noise. Consequently, all I could do was lie alone, in the dark, inside a quiet room. It felt as if my entire body was on fire. I was extremely lonely and extremely scared. One time my calves spasmed so much (it looked as if worms were crawling under my skin) that my wife was able to recognize the symptom and gasped in horror. Yet she still failed for some time to understand the severity of my symptoms.
On some occasions I tried to force myself to accompany my wife on short excursions. One day we were at a store. I was leaning on a shopping cart for support when suddenly it felt as if somebody had kicked the back of my legs out. My knees buckled. I told my wife, “I need to get out of here…fast.”
I went to see yet another doctor and was told I might have MS. His staff collected vial after vial of blood and spinal fluid until they literally ran out of tests to perform. Meanwhile, the crawling sensation, the twitching, the clonus (jerking back and forth), the pain, and my short term memory loss were worse than ever. My emotions were completely out of control. What I said no longer made any sense and I literally felt insane.
Eventually I was told that I didn’t have MS. Nevertheless, I had already started investigating MS on the Internet and had gone to an MS Society meeting. Despite the fact that I was not officially diagnosed with MS, the people at the meeting had pretty much the same symptoms as I. I was horrified by the prognosis given to people with MS. We were told that for the rest of my life, I would have possible good days, bad days, and inevitably suffer from relapse after relapse.
I attended a lecture on MS and was appalled to find that the lady sitting next to me acted as if she had lost her mind, like she had cognitively flown off the radar. I tried to tell myself that I hadn’t reached such a state, but when I left the meeting I realized that I couldn’t remember where I was. I couldn’t remember what city I was in. I couldn’t remember if I lived in the city or not. Where was my home? Did I have a car? If so, where was it?
When I finally made it home, I began to look for information on the Internet with increased fervor. I was sure I had only weeks to live. Using the computer required all the energy I could muster. I staggered over to the machine and my hands would shake violently as I tried to use the mouse. Yet it was during those periods on the computer that I learned more about the disease that is often dubbed the “great imitator” – Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS). It’s called the “great imitator” because so many symptoms of PTLDS resemble those of other inflammatory diseases such as MS. Now that I understand the science behind the Marshall Protocol, the fact that PTLDS, MS, and many other inflammatory diseases have overlapping symptoms comes as no surprise. I understand that these diseases are all bacterial illnesses and that people with different diagnoses often share many of the same bacterial species. So I’m sure I did harbor many of the bacterial species that cause MS.
But as I read more information on PTLDS, I remembered with increasing clarity an event that had occurred nine years before, during a hike through the West Coast Trail on Vancouver Island. After the hiking trip, I had noticed an itchy rash on my stomach. I proceeded to pull a black “poppyseed” out of my belly button – what I now realize was the remnants of a tick. At the time I had dismissed the rash and moved on, yet two weeks later my knees had become very sore. It was also the beginning of symptoms of depression that would haunt me for the next nine years.
In the months that followed, the soreness in my knees got worse and my emotions became more unstable. My knee pain was so bad that I lost the ability to jog. Yet I tried to ignore the symptoms and push on with life as normally as possible. My girlfriend at the time worked for a supplement manufacturer and was selling one supplement that contained the herb sarsaparilla. I realize now that it’s an anti-Lyme agent originally used to treat syphilis (another type of spirochete) and when I took it, it might actually have killed a small number of the bacteria making me ill. That’s because after taking the supplement, I woke up one morning feeling as if I’d been hit by a truck. It could have been my first immunopathological or bacterial die-off reaction. In retrospect, I realize that feeling temporarily worse after taking the supplement might have actually been a sign of bacterial death. This is one of the invaluable lessons I have learned by understand the science behind the Marshall Protocol. Now I understand that “If you aint herxing, you ain’t healing.” In other words, experiencing immunopathology is a sign of healing.
Returning to the time nine years after the tick bite – the time when I was starting to learn more about PTLDS over the Internet – I realized that I once again had the same soreness in my knees and even the stomach rash that had started nine years earlier, after the tick bite. It assured me that the tick bite and my current symptoms were connected. The Canadian government claims that only about 20 cases of Lyme disease occur yearly in Canada and that ticks that carry the borrelia spirochete or L-form bacteria are few and far between. Yet my wife hiked the West Coast Trail almost one year after I did and also proceeded to develop PTLDS (she may also have picked up some of the L-form bacteria that I harbored after I got sick). Then, my son, his friend, another friend, his niece, and about half the people I know who hiked that Trail have since developed PTLDS. So I’d say the Canadian government’s claims about the number of insects that carry L-form bacteria here in Canada is incredibly off.
Eventually I diagnosed myself with PTLDS disease, and in the process saved my life as the diagnosis was what eventually led me to find the MP.
I went to see a neurologist who refused to accept that I might have PTLDS because I didn’t test positive for the bacterium Borrelia. I tried to tell him that the tests were no good because I had all the symptoms of the disease but he wouldn’t listen. That experience was the beginning of the end of my relationship with the mainstream medical community. My next doctor again refused to treat me for PTLDS because of my negative test results but I was too weak and confused to fight back.
I soon learned that the average person with PTLDS goes to 21 doctors before getting treated. If that would have happened to me, I’d almost certainly have died. I was lucky enough that the 9th doctor I saw agreed to put me on high-dose antibiotics. I took a 12 hour road trip to see him in the USA. When I reached the hotel, my body was vibrating so badly from the exertion of the trip that my wife, who still wasn’t convinced that I was truly ill, became alarmed again.
I had had to stop working and was on one year disability. We decided to move to the West where the weather was warmer and the taxes not as high. During that time, I started to develop symptoms of CFS as well. I slept for over 20 hours a day. It took us six months to move because I would literally pack one box of books, carry it up the stairs and into the garage, then need to go back to sleep for 24 hours.
Under the care of one of the few treating doctors in Canada, I did six more years of high-dose antibiotics. I did experience immunopathology (the herxheimer reaction) in response to taking many of them, but my symptoms never came close to resolving. Sometimes I would seem to reach a plateau, but then I would inevitably relapse. It seemed like the antibiotics were helping me somewhat, but taking them at high doses was like taking three steps forward and two steps backwards. When I had IV rocephin for three months, I started to feel like I was making no progress at all – it was three steps forward, three steps backwards. I think this pattern might have gone on forever if I hadn’t found the Marshall Protocol. I learned from the MP site that beta-lactams will drive spirochetes into the stealthy L-form. This accounted for much of my backsliding.
I started to get involved in the Lyme community and became friends with some other local Lymies. I met many of them through the Canadian Lyme Disease Foundation (canlyme) which is a very helpful group. Sometimes we would go out to dinner and talk. During one dinner, I began to talk to a man who was on the Marshall Protocol. He was quite happy with his recovery thus far. After that point, every time we would see each other he would urge me to try the MP.
For a while I kept the MP in the back of my mind, but after realizing that my doctor was going to retire, I knew I had to plan for the future. I looked into the MP in greater detail and became very interested in what I learned. I decided it was definitely worth a try and found another doctor in my area who was already working with MP patients and was more than willing to put me – and my wife – on the treatment.
I should also mention that a year before starting the MP I suffered from angina that led to a pre-heart attack. Six months later I had open-heart surgery and triple bypass surgery. I was only 52. Now that Dr. Marshall’s research has made it clear that cardiovascular disease is also an inflammatory disease that results from infection with L-form and biofilm bacteria, I’m not surprised that pathogens had also spread and infected my cardiovascular system. My blood pressure on the MP has dropped by over 30 points! I take no other medications.
A year before starting the MP, I inadvertently went on it in a modified form. I was given AltACE for my blood pressure. AltACE suppresses Angiotensin Converting Enzyme, which is the precursor to angiotensin. Since the MP’s Benicar is an angitotensin receptor blocker, they are both involved in the angiotensin creation process. By happy coincidence I was also on a high dosage of one of the antibiotics used in the MP. My herx was spectacular and had me almost bedridden for four days. When I finally learned about the action of Benicar and recalled this incident, I needed little convincing that the MP was the way to go. I was searching for a new GP at this time and, when I mentioned that I had become very “sick” on AltACE and would no longer take it, he dismissed me immediately saying he would not treat a patient who would not take his meds.
Interestingly, two of the high-dose antibiotics that I had responded ro most positively in the previous six years were both held in high regard by the MP. This assured me that I would also respond well to the MP. I started the treatment at a pretty low point – I was still dealing with heart symptoms, PTLDS symptoms, and was very tired. My joint and fibro symptoms were also flaring quite a bit.
After starting Benicar and the MP antibiotics, I didn’t notice much of an immunopathological reaction for the first two months. But I stuck with the treatment, and during month three, it seemed like the doors opened and a truck came though to flatten me. My immunopathology was strong and constant. As symptoms returned as a result of bacterial death, I once again became mentally unstable and quite anxiety-ridden. Because my immunopathology elevated my symptoms of anxiety, I had regular crises of faith about the MP – times when I would get nervous and doubt that the treatment was working. I would wonder, “Is this immunopathology, or am I just getting sicker?” In the end, I always realized I was on the right track, but the mental immunopathology did make accepting that reality difficult at times.
The heavy immunopathology continued for four months, but then one day I woke to find that about 80% of my symptoms had dissipated. The next day about 90% of my symptoms were gone. It was the most beautiful, wonderful experience of all time. From that point on, I have felt incredibly healthy and have not relapsed or gone backwards in any major way. My level of pain is minimal. I still get some minor immunopathology in my joints, teeth, and some fibro tender spots, but I would say I have 90+% of my life back. It’s just unbelievable.
In August, during the time when I first I started to feel so much better, I read my first book just for pleasure in years. It was the Ascent of Man. I was able to remember everything in the book, toy with the topics in my mind, even dream about the book and remember minor details. When I finished the book, I cried. I never ever thought that my mind would feel and function this way again. All I can say is that my mind is BACK! My cognitive improvement is absolutely fantastic. It has almost completely allowed me to return to a different quality of life. My memory and cognitive function are almost back to 100%. This is such a change from the times when I would “wake up” in the middle of a sentence, wondering who was talking!
These days I only sleep about 8 hours a day with an occasional nap in the afternoon – the severe exhaustion is completely gone. I still have some fasciculations on my calves but it is quite rare. I am no longer sensitive to light or sound – I can turn up the radio on my truck and enjoy the music. In fact, my hearing itself has improved and my tinnitus is about three-quarters resolved.
My wife, who developed PTLDS a year after me, is also on the MP and experiencing many of the same improvements I am. We are also very happy with her progress.
I feel that the high-dose antibiotics did cause an immunopathological reaction at many points, yet I doubt they were consistently targeting any of my L-form bacteria or other stealth bacteria that are able to change form. I would never have fully recovered if I hadn’t used the MP to target and kill these forms of bacteria which were definitely at the heart of my illness and running rampant while I was taking the high-dose antibiotics. Now that I understand the MP, the high-dose antibiotic approach also seems extremely unscientific. For example, the use of beta-lactam antibiotics seems quite obviously wrong, yet IV ceftriaxone (a beta-lactam antibiotic) is considered to be the Holy Grail of high-doise treatment.
The high-dose regimen seems to basically involve throwing antibiotics at a person and hoping they might have a positive effect – just hit or miss. In contrast, the science that forms the backbone of the MP is spot-on in my experience. Marshall’s molecular modeling research confirms exactly how each of the pulsed, low-dose antibiotics used by the Treatment binds and blocks certain bacterial ribosomes. There is no question in my mind that the antibiotics are working. I also believe that the the MP antibiotic regimen is able to target L-form and biofilm bacteria in a way that high-dose antibiotics cannot.
Since I did experience immunopathology on the high-dose antibiotics, I think they did help me lower my bacterial load, but it was only by switching to the MP that I was able to consistently and thoroughly clean out the tremendous amount of L-form bacteria I harbored. All in all, my progress was very unsteady on the high-dose antibiotics and if I had to do everything again, I would definitely start the MP from the get-go.
Be patient during your immunopathology (herxes). Sometimes you may doubt the fact that your symptoms are the result of immunopathology, but as someone who battled those same doubts and has now largely recovered, I assure you that once you become symptomatic on the MP, your symptoms are almost certainly the result of your body killing bacteria. Have faith and ride through your herxes, but stay in touch with your doctor. It’s sad, because some people drop out at the start of the MP because they can’t get their minds around the idea that feeling bad after starting the treatment is not a sign that their disease is progressing but a sign that they are killing bacteria as expected. Sometimes people feel very bad after starting the MP but, since the rise in symptoms is due to immunopathology, it’s actually a sign that the treatment is working TOO well (too many bacteria are being killed) rather than not working.
Now that I’m getting my life back, I feel like a kid in a candy store. I’ve just become a Grandpa and I feel confident that I will live to see my grandchildren graduate from high school and college – something I would never have dreamed possible before the MP. The lost opportunities in my career and the high-dose antibiotic therapy that I did for six years has cost me well over $100,000, so I’m ramping up my career again in order to become more financially stable. But I’m basically a life hog – I have the freedom to enjoy the rest of my life. I cry at sunsets, I’m gentler with people, and I’m also an activist. I want to do everything in my power to promote the Marshall Protocol and to help doctors understand the treatment and recommend it to their patients.
My son calls me the “Lyme Crusader.” I’ll literally stand in line at the grocery store and ask people if they know of anyone with inflammatory disease. Then I’ll hand them a flyer with information about the MP. The treatment has worked so well for me that I can’t just stand around and watch other people with chronic disease suffer when I know the MP can give them their lives back.
I am eternally grateful for Dr. Marshall and the others who have made such a difference in defeating these diseases.
34 Responses for "Interview with Ken L. – Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS)"
Do you know of any doctors in Connecticut, USA that will treat with the MP?
Thanks.
Hi Mike,
You can request a list of doctors who work in Connecticut and have patients on the MP at the following link from the Marshall Protocol study site: (because they already have patients on the treatment they will likely take you on as a patient too)
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum11/11348.html
If you can’t find a doctor near you on the list, I recommend that you go to the study site (www.marshallprotocol.com) and click on the “members” button in the upper right hand corner. Then click on “location.” After that point you will be able to search for other people on the MP who live in Connecticut.
I recommend sending those people a private message thorough the site asking who their doctor is, if they are happy with him/her, and for contact information.
If you still can’t find a doctor, then post about your situation at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org (Th1 refers to diseases caused by L-form bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1). The patient advocates on that site, who answer questions free of charge, may offer you further tips on how to find a physician.
Good luck!
Amy
Thanks so much, Amy.
Hey!!! Nice article, Ken. By now you know I struck out with our family doctor. We believe he didn’t even read through the MP packet I had Philip hand deliver the week before my appointment. He told the nurse that it was ‘alternative medicine’ and he wouldn’t touch it!!! So now I am to understand I have 20 more doctors to go through before I find one to treat us?!?!?! I do have two to three good leads in the Peoria area, doctors who are being known to do alternative or wholistic type medicine, so I have not given up hope. I will start calling around tomorrow. Take care, my friend and again it’s good to see your smiling face online! %^)
-c-
Hi Carol,
I’m sorry to hear your first doctor was so dismissive about the MP. I think it’s most frustrating when a doctor refuses to even look at the information and dismisses it without reading it. If they did read about the MP, they would see it has nothing to do with alternative medicine and is only the result of molecular medicine supported by what is a becoming a tremendous amount of clinical data.
I have a two suggestions that might help you find a doctor who understand the MP or is at least willing to put you on the treatment.
The first is to request a list of doctors who already have MP patients in Canada off the Marshall Protocol study site. Since they already have MP patients, they should be more likely to take you on as a patient as well. You can request that list at this link:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum11/11348.html
My second suggestion is that you get on the Marshall Protocol study site and click on the “members” button in the upper right hand corner of the screen. Then click on the word “location” and all members of the site will be listed according to where they live. Look for other patients on the MP who live near you. Then send them a private message asking them who their doctor is, what his contact info is, if they are happy with him/her etc. I find that contacting patients directly in this manner is very helpful when it comes to finding a doctor.
Good luck and I’m glad you enjoyed Phil’s interview. I very much enjoyed speaking to him as well!
Best,
Amy
Hi, Ken,
GREAT article, Sweetie!
You told it like it was and how your life/our lives have changed, once you/we started to receive MP treatment. Your doing this saved not only your life, but mine.
I’m ever grateful.
Your loving partner/wife.
Nettonya
Thanks, Amy.
We were VERY disappointed in our doctor, to say the least. I will check out the doctor list again, as if has been awhile since I looked over it. I think there was one doctor local to this area. I live in Illinois so there are certainly doctors in Chicagoland if none closer.
I am married to Canadian, Philip who is a friend of Ken L.’s from many years ago, so that is our connection. They hiked the West Coast Trail of Vancouver Island which is where many people have been afflicted with Lyme. Ken L. has been very instrumental in leading us to the MP. We are very grateful for that.
Ken – send us some grandbaby pics!! %^)
Thanks again, Amy,
Carol
Splendid article Ken, just marvelous! God bless you man for all you have I know you have been through
for all these many, many years. What a champ.
Anyone planning to hike Vancouver Island’s famed
West Coast Trail would do well to read this article in advance. There are inherent risks of contracting LYME disease and the misery associated with this damned mis diagnosable disease. I remember that hiker who was doing half the trail with two walking canes and I stopped to ask him why he was out there and asked what was wrong with him. He said he had fibromyalgia. I asked him if he had hiked the trail before and he said he had seven times. I said you have LYME disease Mr. Not that your doctors told you. I gave him Ken’s telephone number urging him to call Ken. Sure enough he did call ken. Poor guy was like the walking dead and never knew it.
Although I myself have been on the trail four times
and am convinced I got a red bulls eye rash weeks later, I followed the anti parasite protocol of Dr. Hulda Clark, several times. I am sure there was a certain efficacy from doing that which may run parallel to Dr. Marshall’s protocol in dealing with the bugs at least. However, both my wife and I are going to get tested via the Marshall Protocol.
Ken has a wonderful heart for people, he is an extremely intelligent man, first degree analyzer and
all would do well to listen to his advice.
I feel sorry for the thousands upon thousand of global hikers from all over this planet that are taking LYME back home with them for their stupid doctors to misdiagnose! Woe to them all.
Hi Philip,
I have alerted several friends on Vancouver Island NOT to hike the West Coast Trail.
I would like to add though, that as we are starting better understand the pathogenesis of chronic disease, there is a substantial overlap between all forms of inflammatory disease and the pathogens that cause different symptoms.
Each chronic disease – fibromyalgia, CFS, lupus, Lyme, sarcoidosis etc. are not caused by one single species of pathogen, but instead by a wide array of different pathogens.
Here’s an excerpt from a speech I am currently writing about the MP:
“Modern medicine’s understanding of the body as a series of discrete systems blinds the profession to the nature of bacterial infections, which care nothing of such categories. Is it merely a coincidence that some sarcoidosis patients have dyslexia, some fibromyalgia patients have gastrointestinal problems, some CFS patients also have arthritis? When we pause to think about this reality it becomes all too clear that chronically ill patients are suffering from system wide dysfunction which is best explained by infection.
This analogy essentially applies to most diseases of “unknown cause” which the medical community has labeled with an array of different names, but, in reality, all result from the same pathogenesis – namely infection with different species of Th1 pathogens (L-form and biofilm bacteria). Once the immune system is weakened by these bacteria, viruses, fungi, and protozoa can also thrive.
It’s important to understand that every person’s symptoms results from a large mix of Th1 pathogens, each of which cause different symptoms.
Take, for example, bacterial biofilms. A single biofilm may contain up to 30, 50, 60 different species of bacteria inside and there are probably millions of biofilm communities in people with inflammatory disease. This means that Robert Koch’s postulates which state that only one type of pathogen can cause one type of disease are clearly outdated.
The Marshall pathogenesis makes it clear that each person’s symptoms arise from the unique mix of pathogens they collect over a lifetime, meaning that no two people are alike. Surely this explains why most people who end up at the doctor’s office have symptoms that could be attributed to multiple conditions. What name you give these symptoms doesn’t really matter.
The fact that some conditions are not currently diagnosed as illness doesn’t matter either. What we’re looking at here is nothing less then a Th1 spectrum disorder.
So people with Lyme disease are suffering from infection with multiple chronic pathogens. The reason they get diagnosed with Lyme disease is that one of the bacterial species they harbor is Borrelia, which can be detected on a lab test. Of course, there are certain symptoms now associated with Lyme disease and those symptoms can also prompt a diagnosis of Lyme.
When it boils down to it though, a diagnosis matters less these days because since all chronic diseases have the same underlying pathogenesis and they can all be treated by the Marshall Protocol.
At least that’s the MP perspective.
I have noted that people who are diagnosed with Lyme generally have very severe symptoms and thus probably very high and diverse bacterial loads. So I’m very gald to hear that you and your wife are looking into the MP so that you can begin to reverse the symptoms of what truly is a terrible disease.
Best,
Amy
Thanks, each of you.
It’s time to heal ourselves and tell those who will listen. The suffering is incalculable – and unnecessary.
As Dr Marshall wrote, “I have a life to live and a world to change.” Whatever part I can play, I will.
Philip, my friend, you talk of testing. The most reliable test is a therapeutic probe using the MP. Combined with a rash in particular and a couple dozen symptoms, it’s often a slam dunk.
Ken
hi ken–
i tried to read your posts on MP site but could not find you there-its great to see u are so much better
i have a very similar story to yours but am beginning MP(now month 5 —phase 1 still)
as you write you recovered suddenly i have some questions as this is quite untypical of other people on MP–is it possible to write you an email and get in short contact with you–
herxing nicely(miserable as hell)
greetings
chris
Hi Ken.
I was bitten by a tick over 3 yrs ago and developed EM. I haven’t found a doctor yet who will treat me even though my dog tested positive for lyme!
I finally convinced a neurologist to run the WB on me.
I haven’t gotten the results back yet but my doc wants to test my CSF and put me on IV antibiotics.
Should I pursue this route first or just go on the MP?
I can’t say that I technically have PTLDS since I’ve never been treated for lyme. I’ve been bedridden for the past 3 yrs and over 20 docs have told me I have “depression” or “fibromyalgia” or CFS or that I’m bipolar or seeking drugs and attention.
I’m all read up on the MP and got my new PCP on board with it. I’ve ordered the Benicar and mino and the NoIR glasses. I’m just waiting for the meds to arrive.
I would appreciate any input from your experiences.
Thank you so much!
Hi Kat,
This is Amy. Hopefully Ken will write you back soon with some input.
In the meantime, he did say the following in his interview:
“Since I did experience immunopathology on the high-dose antibiotics, I think they did help me lower my bacterial load, but it was only by switching to the MP that I was able to consistently and thoroughly clean out the tremendous amount of L-form bacteria I harbored. All in all, my progress was very unsteady on the high-dose antibiotics and if I had to do everything again, I would definitely start the MP from the get-go.”
So I’m pretty sure he will tell you to start the MP rather than high-dose antibiotics as soon as possible. I’m glad you have everything lined up to start the MP! An official diagnosis of PTLDS doesn’t really matter. If you have been bedridden for the past three years, there is no doubt that your are infected with many species of the chronic pathogens that cause inflammatory disease and that they MP will allow you to effectively kill them.
Good luck!
Amy
Hi Kat. Sorry you are ill. Sounds to me like classic late-stage Lyme.
The issue you raise is one I have been mulling over for a while. There seems to be a school of thought that the MP is most appropriate after the “big guns” of IV have been tried. I see nothing in the science, nor in my experience, to indicate that that is the right choice.
I am not a doctor but in my experience, I would go for the MP right away if I had to do this over again.
I noticed on the high-dose regimen that I always did best on the bacteriostatic antibiotics anyway, and that is the class used in the MP. On the other hand, note that the bactericidal beta-lactams such as rocephin are actually used to CREATE L-forms in the lab! These bugs are stealthy, and I consider the low-dose bactericidal meds of the MP to be an even stealthier counterattack! “Low and slow” is the way to go. Not triggering the bug’s defenses makes perfect sense to me, and the phase of the disease one is in makes no difference.
I never felt significantly better with three months of IV (rocephin/ceftriaxone), and it is my impression as I watch some Lyme forums, that other chronic sufferers rarely do much better on IV either. And oh yeah, I relapsed after the IV, which also seems to be quite common. All that precious time and money down the drain.
It may be coincidence, but while I was on the IV I suddenly got sciatica, and then shingles and then two kidney stones. Maybe that’s a triple coincidence, and maybe they were good signs, but I doubt it! Rocephin certainly is hard on the gall bladder and I know of one Lymie who had to have theirs removed. It is my observation that some people are on IV for a year or more, still without significant improvement, or with a relapse following.
As to the CSF lumbar puncture… well there’s another reason to go for the MP! They had an intern do mine and it took six attempts. My spine still “cracks” seven years later. I realize now it was not needed, but I didn’t know any better.
Almost everyone I know who has been on minocycline (even non-MPers) reports dramatic improvement in brain function. And as Woody Allen said “My brain – that’s my second-favorite organ!”. (BTW, the other favorite organ is much improved as well, which was never the case for me on high dose treatment. Hey, we’re all adults here. This dramatically showed me the positive effect of the MP on hormone balance, again validating the whole approach.)
To repeat, I am not a doctor and I am not giving you medical advice. These are merely my considered opinions based on my experience and my understanding of the MP science.
I wish you the very best, Kat.
Ken
Sorry folks, small error in my comments above.
Please change
“I consider the low-dose bactericidal meds of the MP to be an even stealthier counterattack”
to
“I consider the low-dose BACTERIOSTATIC meds of the MP to be an even stealthier counterattack”
I’m sure you all would have realized the booboo anyway..!
Ken
Ken – Congrats on getting well, I’m also a Lymie working through the MP and continue to make small strides after 18 months on the program.
Question – Do you feel you might have passed the Lyme Disease on to your wife or does she remember being bitten by a tick? Im currently in a relationship and the last thing I was to do is pass on my previous mysery on to my girl. Thanks! JC
Hi JC:
In my wife’s case, she too hiked a nature trail on Vancouver Island and like me, was bitten by a tick (as was my son). She remembers the circular rash shortly after her hike. Interestingly, we all took about nine years for symptoms to enter third stage (neuro) and become severe.
So, to your point, it appears that a tick did it to my wife, in our case. I am not qualified to tell you what to do but I would take very seriously the possibility of transmitting the microbe to a sexual partner and take precautions (condom). Giving this affliction to someone you love is unthinkable.
I wish I could say more but I am not an expert so I suggest you search for more information.
As a side note: Another member of our hiking group gave birth to an autistic child shortly after our hike. This supports the theory of the microbes passing through the placental barrier. Indeed, half of all the people I hiked that trail with have been diagnosed with Lyme or are showing clear signs of infection. Tragically, only a few are in treatment. The denial of our “health” “care” system continues.
Best of luck to you, JC. I applaud your conscientiousness.
Ken
P.S.: As a general update: I entered Phase 3 four months ago. After a month or so, I had another long, but this time, fairly mild herx, for about two months. About a week ago, I again suddenly rebounded and I am now doing better than ever before for the past 7 years.
My symptoms have lesseneed to the point where they are now more like mere “discomfort.” I never DREAMED I could have this quality of life. Woo-hoo!
Ken,
Wohoo is right! I’m so glad you are feeling even better than before.
JC – While Ken’s wife was bitten by a tick, the pathogens that cause chronic disease can be transmitted from person to person, particularly among people in close contact
BUT, since you are on the MP, you don’t have to worry nearly as much about spreading your bacteria to your partner. Any bacteria that you might have transmitted before starting the MP are now probably killed by your antibiotics before they can leave your body.
For example, both my boyfriend and I are on the MP. We have very different symptoms. We’ve been together for three years now, but neither one of us is showing any sign that we have developed the other person’s symptoms.
This article, if you haven’t read it, goes into the spread of bacteria among family members in greater detail. Particularly of interest would be the last section, “The Marshall Protocol can stop the spread of L-form bacteria among family members”
http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/31/family/
Best,
Amy
PS I’d still use condoms as an extra precaution
Well, it is now the end of 2008 and I just wanted to give a brief update since people may be wondering what happened to me.
I am, in a word: FANTASTIC!!
I’m not up to 100% yet, but virtually every day is above 90% now and has been so for the past 2 months. My most significant remaining symptoms are now some fatigue and some stiffness. Both of these had been quite severe and plagued me for months. I was starting to think maybe they were permanent, but about 2 months ago, they both suddenly diminished significantly.
“Three steps forward and one step back” measured every couple of months, seems to be the way my body has responded to the MP. I have not had any relapses (where I fell back to a worse state than ever); I previously would relapse every few months while I was on high-dose antibiotics before the MP.
Many, many symptoms are now completely gone and a handful of others that remain are now only moderately severe. I usually have to “search” for symptoms in my body now. In fact, I sometimes forget to take my meds because I am feeling so much better!
Looking back: the first 6 months on the MP were very hard, the next 6 were tough, and the next 9 months were significantly better, but these past 2 months have been like a gift from heaven.
I hope others on the MP take this as encouragement, and will persevere in their treatment. It may take longer than it has taken me, but believe me, it is worth the wait! After 6 years wandering around on high-dose meds, a “short” 2 years on the MP has been a blessing.
Until a couple of months ago, every time I went into a herx cycle, I doubted the protocol. I was despondent, thinking I had stalled out, that I was going to continue going downhill and lose all my gains etc. OK, so I’m human. I doubted every time, and I was wrong every time. But I persisted and stayed the course and I am now beginning to think 100 percent recovery is possible.
It is so important to ride out the herxes and not meddle unnecessarily with the treatment.
This past summer, my wife and I were able to take our first vacation together in seven years. THAT is how far we have come. I have shoveled lots of snow off the driveway recently and I can do work around the house now that would normally have left me in bed. I continue to enjoy my new and improved brain more than ever.
I am awakening unto my dream of what my life once was. This is called GETTING YOUR LIFE BACK.
Lastly, I want to again express my deep gratitude to Dr Marshall, to my fabulous MP doc, and to those who work so hard to support this work. I think 2009 will be a banner year for the MP as evidenced by Dr Marshall’s trip to China.
Happy 2009 everyone!
Ken
Ken,
First off, I am glad to read of your fantastic recovery. I am most interested to hear how you are feeling these days? Any changes good or bad? I just started MP last month.
Your story rings a cord with me on a few levels. Around the same time in 2001 I begain having similar (some) symptoms to you; hands and feet pain, chronic exhaustion, non restorative sleep, GI pain, emotional, brain fog and memory issues. I was unable to recover from exercise, would remain in an exhausted state for weeks. I cut back my training to the point of not being able to exert myself at all without significantly amplifying the symptoms.
Just prior to that I had significant bipolar patellar tendonitis that I did not consider part of this till I read your story, perhaps that was the beginning for me too. I had a Lyme test as well that showed nothing. Drs here are not supportive (at all) but I am now working remotely with a Dr in Vancouver.
I’ve hiked the WCT on a few occassions, as well as, running, hiking and camping all over the trails in BC on numerous occassions. I was an avid hiker and ultra marathoner. I can’t recall a specific tic bite or classic rash, but I was getting bitten by something all the time.
Prior to being confirmed with Th1 by way of a therapudic probe, the only diagnosis I received was CFS. I think that was the kiss of death, no one would give me the time of day after that. In 2001 before I realized the extent of my troubles I quit my job and moved to the East Coast and life is very restricting and revolves around feeling very bad to very average. The joy is gone.
I am hoping MP will be the answer for me. This has taken 8 years away from a very active, happy and fulfilling life. I am now 50 y/o and don’t feel I have much time left, not sure my body will be able to rebound if I get much older.
Any updates or info would be great.
Thanks,
Greg
Hi Greg. Welcome to the MP!
Sorry I did not reply right away. A relative has recently been diagnosed with ALS/MND/Lou Gehrig’s disease so I have been assembling a package of MP info.
My level of well-being (well-feeling?) has retreated for the past few weeks (to around 80%), so I am navigating through a noticeable dip at the present, with some increased pain and fatigue. I am in the “one step backward” phase of my “three steps forward and one step backward” pattern. It seems to take me a few months to break through these dips, so I may have a little way to go yet.
Nobody likes “herxing” of course, and yes, I still go into a faith crisis it seems, even after this much progress, because there is no way I want to slide back into hell. But the MP hasn’t let me down yet! In over two years, I have never slipped below my previous low level.
I am happy to report that my cognition and memory functions have remained very good, which is absolutely wonderful. A bad day now is still way better than a good day used to be!
I am finally getting smarter at moderating my immunopathology by altering my meds a bit, including taking my mino much earlier in the day, and trying quercetin to dampen the IP. I should have paid attention to these things a long time ago. (A word to the wise: read and use the MP guidelines!)
Your symptoms do sound similar to mine, except my gastro problems were minor. I hope your recovery is similar to mine too (in the very best way, of course!)
Losing your joy and “feeling very bad to very average,” is surely not much of a life. I encourage you to relax and do your best to be patient. Learn to be self-soothing and gather support around you. You have to be in this for the long haul.
In my experience, the MP can improve your life tremendously! Once your health returns, it will feel like almost no time has been lost. Lastly, our bodies are amazingly good at healing, (even at our “advanced age”) once the immune system is back to normal. I am very pleased with how much I have got back.
These words will probably not have much meaning for you for some months until you have had a “breakthrough” or two and see your own pattern. I was skeptical too until it started coming true.
Count your blessings, my friend. I wish you the very best.
Ken
I also went through about 20 docs before I found the right one. I could only laugh as I read your story as to the similarities we’ve been through.
What a nightmare! But as I continue to read more ppl’s stories, I realize that none of us are alone.
It’s good to share and find support for what we are going through.
My husband did not believe that I was sick for many years and it was one of the reasons why I left him.
It’s hard enough to be sick…but to have your spouse doubting you or accusing you of lying is horrific.
God bless you and thank you for sharing your story.
Thanks for sharing a bit more of your story, Kat.
I’m glad my tale connected with you on this otherwise lonely journey.
“The exact location of hell is not well known, except to those of us who have been there.”
So let’s turn our wounds into wisdom. Let’s make up for lost time. Let’s get so happy that our butts fall off.
That’s the best payoff for all we’ve been through!
LOL!!! I love the quote!! It’s going to be my motto for the next 5 years!!!
Thanks Ken. Sounds like pain is inevitable, suffering optional. It’s good to know there is light at the end of the tunnel. I appreciate your kind words.
Thanks,
Greg
Quick update on myself:
I have again rebounded higher than ever to more than 90 percent.
Over the past long weekend, I dug the entire garden by hand, planted it, installed a border around it, cut the lawn, planted flower pots, cleaned the roof and rain gutters etc. and afterward I had little soreness and much less tiredness.
For the first time in years, I cleaned up the corners of the yard and back patio, trimmed flower gardens, then cleaned out a good part of my clothes closet. Next I will start on the piles in the garage (car park).
I have improved energy and wonderful mental clarity. I still have a way to go, but I have once again shot forward.
Never give up, folks!
With gratitude,
Ken
I’m from Italy. I have cronic lyme disease from 9 years. I’m trying to find a medical doctor in Italy, do you have any information to help me to find one? This illness is terrible, but worst is the way the doctors I met treat me: no one believed the syntoms, one adviced me to go to the phsichiatric doctor, to cure me making sports… And a lot of antibiotics.
But, when I tried DIFLUCAN for 50 days (Shardt terapy – Germany) I was really new, I could feel like ten years before, good. But then all went bad like the same. Another good time was when I used COLLOIDAL SILVER. But I couldn’t take it for so long ( 8 weeks and then my stomak had problems) Now I’m still looking for news about a good therapy around in the world. Sorry for my english
Hi Fulvia,
Sorry to hear about your experience with your illness and with your doctors. Clearly, your disease is not psychiatric. That’s so frustrating to hear that!
Given your symptoms, the Marshall Protocol is an excellent option.
Here are a couple Knowledge Base articles you might like to read.
http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:starting:physician
http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:othertreatments
http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:othertreatments:antifungals
http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:othertreatments:colloidal_silver
I’m sending you an email with two MP doctors in Italy.
Hope this helps!
Best,
Paul
Paul,
Have you seen this new documentary; Under Our Skin. http://www.underourskin.com/
It didn’t get into detail about therapies and it didn’t mention MP but I got the impression others are on more a more aggressive therapy than MP, IV antibiotics, etc. What do you think?
Greg
A quick update on my progress:
I have been working fulltime – and then some! – for several months now, back in my professional field once again, with a very good income. (Donation on its way to the ARF!)
Almost all my former symptoms are gone now. My energy is way up, short-term memory is great and pain is minor. I would say I am now about 95 percent recovered.
My life has come roaring back! I am ten times more productive now than I have been in years. People are making remarks about at how much better I am looking.
I was able to adjust my meds to reduce my IP when I started work so that I could take on the extra stress of the new job. Being able to vary the meds to manage IP is a great feature of the MP!
Best regards to all,
Ken
Lover Of Life
Great to hear you are doing so well.
So good to hear from you, Ken. Glad you’re doing well. Amy says hi.
Paul
The question is: how do you know when you are healed?
Is it just the lessening of symptoms that we are looking for?
Will there be a chance of relapse?
After 5 years of being bedridden, I am now up and about and almost back to normal.
But there is always that small part of me that wonders if I’m going to get sick again and what I can do to prevent it.
Hi Anna,
I can understand your concern about relapse. People who have been sick for so long have trouble imagining they are no longer so fragile. My advice is to ask yourself what made you sick in the first place and what the MP did to address that. If you believe, as I do, that the MP targets chronic pathogens and that the symptoms I experienced during the toughest part of the MP were those bacteria dying, then you must conclude that you are fundamentally better… and less susceptible to the dreaded relapse.
From what I’ve heard from other people, the presence or absence of any one symptom is variable but there is a steady upward trend even while continuing to take the MP meds. That is a reasonable expectation, in my opinion.
Hope this helps.
Best,
Paul