25 Apr 2008
Translational medicine. The concept was invoked frequently last week at the Days of Molecular Medicine Conference (DMM). It’s an approach to medicine in which researchers are urged to take the data they have collected in the laboratory and find a way to apply it directly to patients. The term also suggests that researchers and doctors must work together, and that collaboration among researchers in different fields is essential if medicine is to advance.
The Marshall Protocol epitomizes translational medicine, which is why, in my opinion, our poster presentations at the Conference were, for the most part, viewed with great interest and optimism.
The researchers who filled the lecture and poster halls at DMM had travelled to Sweden from the most prestigious universities in the world. It didn’t take long to realize that many of them have spent their entire careers looking for faulty genes that might be able to cause mental illnesses such as autism or obsessive-compulsive disorder.
The problem with such research is that the genetic mutations found in people with mental illness can easily be attributed to the fact that, once inside the body, the Th1 pathogens mutate our DNA. Thus, as a person acquires a significant bacterial load, mutations become more common and can even be passed from generation to generation. This alternate hypothesis for genetic mutations in people with various mental illnesses has been largely ignored by mainstream medicine, a fact confirmed by the talks at DMM. Many researchers spoke of only 5 -10% correlations in the genetic mutations found among patients with a particular mental disease such as autism. As I sat through lectures that discussed such correlations, the reality that only pathogens can cause such a diverse array of mutations became increasingly clear.
One might think that researchers looking for a purely genetic cause of disease would have become discouraged by this point. After all, as one of the researchers who gave a talk admitted, back in 1990 geneticists were sure they would identify direct correlations between specific genes and specific diseases by 2000, allowing them to cure most forms of illness. But the researchers at DMM seemed determined not to see this as a sign of failure. Instead, they put forth a new philosophy – namely the idea that genetic research has failed to generate any successful treatments because it has proved to be much more complex than expected. So, based on this notion of complexity, the geneticists at the Conference have yet again pushed back the date at which they expect to find a way to treat mental illness using gene therapies. Those of us familiar with the MP realize the date will be pushed back endlessly until pathogens are finally recognized as the agents causing the complex mutations observed by so many researchers.
After a talk on the genetics of obsessive-compulsive disorder, I threw my arm up in the air. By that point, I had realized that I would be given one of the few opportunities to ask the researcher a question, only if I did some serious arm flailing. “Have you considered pathogens?” I asked. “Have you considered the fact that perhaps the reason you are finding such random genetic mutations among your study subjects is because the mutations are simply the result of active changes to the DNA created by bacteria?” Dr. Matthew State of Yale University, who had given the talk, was thoughtful in his response. He agreed that certain environmental factors could be contributing to cognitive disease, and that pathogens are among these factors. The audience seemed interested in his response. Perhaps, like me, they were wondering just how complex genetic research will have to get before they are given any concrete explanations from geneticists about how to treat so many severe cognitive diseases.
Much of the research presented at the Conference focused on mice, and how we could poke, prod, and medicate them towards becoming alternately quicker learners and more chipper. And what would a neuroscience conference be without mice running mazes? We were not let down, as many researchers at the Conference had created novel ways to test the cognitive abilities of their furry subjects. In fact, one researcher whose talk hadn’t focused on mice squeezed in some data on rodents at the end of his speech, joking that he wouldn’t be believed unless he verified his data on mice. Again, I found it difficult to see how the implications of such studies on rodents could be applied to human beings, particularly since I’m well aware of the fact that the rodent VDR and immune system is vastly different than that of humans.
All of the speakers gave concise, deliberate presentations, and I have a lot of respect for the sophisticated techniques they have mastered in order to conduct their research. It’s just that the DMM’s aim is to stress translational medicine. At a Conference that is supposed to demonstrate how basic research can drive clinical care, none of the data presented by geneticists can be used to actually help even one person with any type of mental illness.
While the lectures inside the grand auditorium at the Institute focused largely on genetics, three posters lingered in the poster hall that implicated pathogens, rather than genes, as the cause of chronic disease. These posters were, of course, the posters created by Dr. Marshall, Meg Mangin, and myself.
Dr. Marshall lucked out in the sense that his poster slot was #53 – meaning that, because of the way the posters were positioned, his poster was the first one every person saw as they entered the poster hall. Just around the corner from his poster were Meg and her poster. This provided an excellent atmosphere in which people could learn about the MP. First, researchers would wander over to Dr. Marshall’s poster where they would get an in-depth explanation of the molecular science behind the treatment. Then, they would turn the corner and Meg would explain the practical side of the science – the way it has been used to create a medical treatment in which patients are monitored over an open study site.
It didn’t take long for people who spoke with Dr. Marshall and Meg to realize that Autoimmunity Research Foundation was the only group at the conference truly exemplifying translational medicine. For this reason, his work attracted many visitors. It didn’t hurt that Dr. Marshall had two small video players velcroed to his poster that ran videos of L-form bacteria inside the blood of a patient with CFS. The blood, which is absolutely overtaken by long biofilm tubules with bacteria inside, was a rather large wake-up call to those researchers who incorrectly consider the blood to be sterile.
In fact, Dr. Marshall was an endless source of electronic gadgets at the Conference. Out of a meticulously packed suitcase came small video cameras, recording devices, computer cables, and essentially any other device that successfully allowed Paul Albert of Weill Cornell Medical College – who came down to help with the technical aspects of the conference – to videotape large segments of the Conference. If Paul was missing a device, be it a cord or tripod, all he had to do was ask, and Dr. Marshall inevitably had it on him. It’s clear that focusing on molecular biology has not prevented Dr. Marshall from keeping up with the latest electronic trends.
My poster was on board space #89, which was on the far side of the auditorium. I was glad that my poster was separated from Dr. Marshall’s and Meg’s posters because people who wandered down the left side of the auditorium would hear me speak first and my poster seemed to spark enough interest so that they would continue on down the line to Dr. Marshall’s.
But the hypotheses put forth on my poster interested people in their own right. For starters, I was pleasantly surprised that everyone whom I spoke with seemed to realize that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an extremely debilitating disease with a very serious mental component. Nancy Pederson, the associate dean at Karolinska Institute, made a point of coming over to my poster because she is actually studying Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in identical twins. She admitted that her group is not finding any significant genetic trends among their study subjects. So her team is considering pathogens, namely viruses. We proceeded to discuss how the viruses observed in some of her study subjects might just be co-infections, co-infections that are able to take advantage of the immunosuppression generated by bacterial blockage of the VDR. She seemed interested. In her case, and in the case of others, I found people constantly picking up my handouts, my brochures about Autoimmunity Research Foundation, and my business card for Bacteriality.
I discussed several topics that related to my poster, but women in particular seemed extremely interested in understanding why women often feel better during pregnancy, then relapse after giving birth. The reason being that during pregnancy the active vitamin D metabolite 1,25-D rises to extremely high levels, interfering with the activity of the nuclear receptors that control many families of antimicrobial peptides. Because the peptides are produced at a much lower rate during pregnancy, women experience much less bacterial die-off and subsequent relief during that time. However, because women with Th1 disease are immunocompromised during pregnancy, the Th1 pathogens they harbor spread easily, causing them to feel worse after giving birth when 1,25-D drops back into a lower range.
A lot of people admitted that what I was putting forth “just really made so much sense!” After hearing so many complex explanations about the genetics of mental diseases, I guess Dr. Marshall’s hypotheses seemed exceptionally logical. I spent a long time discussing the scientific topics on my poster with Dr. Yujiang Shi from Harvard. After he had absorbed the details of the Marshall pathogenesis, he literally turned to me and stated confidently, “You know, Dr. Marshall is going to win the Nobel Prize.” I said, “Yes, I know!”
The concept of the poster hall is a good one because food is served at the back of the hall, meaning that anyone who wants to eat has to walk by all the posters in the process. Then, they can take their plate of food and wander around looking for posters that catch their eye. I didn’t have time to eat. Before I could even reach for a plate of food, someone had come over to my poster and wanted an explanation. Dr. Karl Deisseroth from Stanford (who later presented an amazing talk about new technology his team has developed to track the action of neurons in the brain) again commented that he was very open to the idea that chronic inflammatory diseases might have a bacterial cause. I spoke to several doctors who seemed eager to try the MP on their patients, particularly doctors who worked with children with behavioral disorders. Most seemed amazed that we were actually putting forth a potential treatment backed by so much scientific data.
Every so often I would glance down the hall and see Dr. Marshall’s yellow shirt and red tie gleaming under his jacket. He seemed to be talking non-stop as well. On the first day, I actually lost my voice for a while because of the fact that I talked so much.
Because of its location, my poster was quite close to the poster of the researcher next to me. He was a researcher from Northwestern University who sadly was presenting data that might allow for the development of yet another immunosuppressive drug. I have to say that people walked right by his poster and over to my poster instead. At one point, a good natured older man appeared behind me and tapped my shoulder. He said, “Your poster is getting so much attention, it’s too bad that you’re standing between me and my money.” I realized that he had funded the research for the immunosuppressive drug and that the crowd looking at my poster was largely blocking the poster about the medication. I tried to move over to the side, but at that exact moment one of the deans of the Karolinska Institute barged right in front of the other scientist’s poster to ask about mine. The older gentleman sighed and walked away. Any feelings of sympathy were short-lived as I was happy to see that people were more interested in the MP than immunosuppressive drugs.
A researcher a few posters away had travelled to the conference from the Longevity Institute in Japan. He was working with VDR knockout mice. He was so excited about Dr. Marshall’s work that he spent more time by my poster than his own. At one point he even asked me if I would be willing to put my name on one of his papers. I told him that if I thought the paper was accurate, I would be happy to do so. I’ll see how that works out.
Some of the other talks at the Conference, those that didn’t focus completely on genetics, were actually quite interesting. A speech that focused on estrogen sparked Dr. Marshall’s interest. He was also extremely interested in a talk by Dr. Adriano Aguzzi from the University Hospital of Zurich about prions. Prions are small infectious agents made purely of protein that are believed to propagate by refolding abnormally into altered structures that accumulate in infected tissue, causing cell death and tissue damage. I’ll be writing more about prions in another article.
After the poster sessions and presentation ended on Friday, we had just enough time to return to the hotel, rest for about five minutes, and then get ready for a welcome reception at the Town Hall. The words “Town Hall” don’t spur thoughts of glorious architecture in my mind, but I soon realized that the Stockholm Town Hall is an exception. When we entered the gates, we found ourselves just steps away from the water with slim arches bending gracefully over our heads.
Upon entering the reception hall we were offered glasses of wine. The head of the Karolinska Institute gave an inspiring welcome speech, to which we all responded “Skål!”, which is an all-purpose Swedish toast. At that point I started to realize, “Hey, I’m really here. This is the place where the top minds in medicine get together to advance the understanding of medicine.” A little chill ran down my spine as I gazed out the window at the beautiful buildings across the water that were illuminated in the setting sun.
Next, we made our way along a table replete with a smorgasbord of food which unfortunately consisted of a large variety of delicious looking salmon and other fish. Luckily, there was a large platter of Swedish meatballs that saved me from starvation.
Soon, we were ushered on a tour of the entire Town Hall. Having failed to read anything about the Stockholm Town Hall, I was amazed to walk into a room in which the walls were literally made of gold and a massive image of the maternal figure symbolizing Stockholm gleamed on the opposite wall. After that, we entered the “Blue Hall,” the space in which the Nobel Prize banquet takes place on December 10th every year. We then proceeded to enter an ornate room where the Stockholm city council meets. Finally, we ended up standing at the bottom of a tremendous stone tower that is one of the city’s landmarks.
It was tough to leave and go back to the hotel, but I needed to sleep so that I could present my poster with zeal the following day. After another day of long and successful talks and presenting our posters, we were bused to the Museum of Modern Art. First, we were given a tour of the Museum’s Andy Warhol exhibit, which was very well done and included many multimedia effects in an attempt to create an atmosphere that mimicked Warhol’s lifestyle. Dr. Karl Deisseroth from Stanford alerted me to a video which showed a transvestite slowly eating a banana. We had a good laugh over how eccentric Warhol was. Since Warhol’s art clearly reflects the fact that he suffered from anxiety, depression, and other mental afflictions, I could almost see each scientist there trying to come up with their own explanation for his cognitive issues. My biases are more than a little obvious– I think Warhol was just suffering from a tremendous number of Th1 pathogens.
Dinner was served right on the waterfront with a view of the old Swedish city across the water. Towards the end of the meal, Dr. Kenneth Chen of Massachusetts General Hospital and Harvard Medical School, one of the conference organizers, stood up to give a toast. After his own short speech, he selected other important members of the audience to stand up and give a few words about the Conference. I was half-listening, half-eating my delicious piece of steak, when I heard him ask Dr. Marshall to give a short speech. Dr. Marshall has attended the DMM Conference for the last three years and is thus something of a veteran. Dr. Marshall spoke about the importance of translational medicine, which, of course, is the focus of his work. As his words blended with the clinking of wine glasses and the lights of the beautiful buildings across the river, I felt an immense sense of pride in Dr. Marshall. I admire his relentless drive to push forward his scientific discoveries, and to consistently attend conferences even when some researchers dismiss his work. Now, here he was, being given the same recognition as any other scientist at the event.
During those rare moments of down time, I chatted with Meg, her husband Tom, and Dr. Marshall’s wife, Liz. I’ve known Meg for three years over the internet so it was great to finally meet her in person. She’s spunky, fun, and full of interesting stories. Her husband Tom took full advantage of being in Sweden. Instead of attending the Conference, he spent most of the time at an Irish pub where he made friends with several Swedish natives, one suspiciously named Jim Beam. In fact, both Meg and Tom love Irish pubs. Meg even has her own special toast, part of which Paul caught on video. We discussed how, to a great extent, there are two different Megs. There is professional Meg who must be very careful about adhering to FDA regulations on the study site, and then there’s fun, laid-back Meg who loves to travel and has eight adorable grandchildren. Tom told me about the fact that Meg answers questions on the MP Board from the moment she wakes up until the moment she goes to sleep. He does all the shopping and cooking. Even when they go out to eat, Meg takes her laptop along so that she can post on the study site during the time when they are waiting for the food to arrive.
The Conference was partially sponsored by Cell Press, a group that runs a number of medical journals. The staff from Cell Press didn’t seem very interested in the MP. For one thing, I think they simply weren’t prepared to hear an explanation for chronic disease that was so different from those explanations offered by the lion’s share of articles their journals feature these days. As Dr. Marshall has commented, the editors of medical journals are petrified of publishing something that may turn out to be wrong, and perhaps the MP seemed almost too good to be true.
Interestingly, the representatives from several drug companies were very interested in my poster. A man from AstraZenica asked me a lot of questions. I told him that if his company wants a heads up, they should start creating drugs that prevent the formation of L-form bacteria. He laughed, but it may not be that long before he realizes that I was completely serious. At the museum dinner, I sat across the table from several drug chemists who told me they were disappointed that none of the speeches had really given them any clues about how to create more effective drugs for mental disease.
Their comments reenforced my belief that, at the moment, the timing is ripe for acceptance of the MP. Drug companies have little to work with in order to create palliative drugs for mental illness or illness in general. Genetic researchers claim they need a few more decades before their work will be able to help patients. Meanwhile, doctors are getting restless. They are tired of telling patients, “I can’t explain your illness and I can’t help you get better.” These doctors are increasingly attracted to the MP, or at least they were at Karolinska. Presenting information about the MP in person made a big difference. It makes me wish that I could sit down with every doctor and give them a 15 minute talk on the MP.
The day after the Conference should have been a day of rest, but I had made a commitment to give a speech about the MP to a group of Swedish patients and doctors who were interested in the treatment. Aside from having a few difficulties when it came to balancing the microphone and my script in the same hand, it went well. Everyone seemed open-minded. One lady in particular, in the front row, kept nodding her head as I moved from concept to concept, as if all of a sudden her disease was starting to make sense. At the end of the presentation most patients seemed eager to do the MP. However, the Swedish government prevents them from doing any treatment that is not deemed “standard.” My message to the group – go to Norway, a country nearby that allows doctors to do the MP without a problem. I hope they follow my advice despite the obvious hardship such advice entails. I’ll be creating a video version of my speech that should be up on this site soon.
On Sunday, after the conference had finished, all of us took the bright red #47 bus down to the Stockholm Square. By that point, I had realized that everything in Sweden runs smoothly. The buses come exactly on time. There is no traffic, the streets are so clean that sometimes the buildings look as if they are part of a movie set. In Sweden, an elevator is called a “hiss”, a term which makes me smile. It took me a while to learn that in Sweden hiss doors do not open automatically, rather they must be pushed open by the people inside. Particularly during the first days of the trip, I would forget this fact and wait inside the elevator for the door to open, much to the amusement of the Swedish people around me.
The Square was lined with other architectural masterpieces. Again, we could gaze out over the water and watch boats dock into the harbor. I had been looking forward to seeing the Square. After all, it’s the place where almost 20 years ago Dr. Marshall realized that sunlight plays a role in exacerbating chronic disease. He had been told that people in Sweden barely ever get enough vitamin D, but while waiting for a walking tour of the Square, sun streamed down on his face, and he felt physically ill. It was at that point that he started to question whether the current dogma on vitamin D and latitude makes sense.
Paul Albert encouraged Dr. Marshall to re-enact his eureka moment, which he did while standing in nearly the exact same location he had decades before. As I watched him joke around with Liz in an effort to recreate the moment, I was struck by how far he has come in the 20 years since that walking tour. I was struck at how far all of us on the MP have come, in terms of being part of a movement that will change so many paradigms in the medical world. I also marveled about the implications of the Marshall pathogenesis and how the best is yet to come.
Below is a link to a video created by Paul that chronicles some of what I have described above:
Here is a link to a second video clip which contains “outtakes” that did not make it into the main video:
33 Responses for "Notes from the 2008 Days of Molecular Medicine Conference plus video footage"
Excellent! Thank you for another great report–it is the next best thing to being there and is very encouraging indeed!
Great communication about this event. Well done! Congratulations on posters too. Thanks for taking the trouble to provide this feedback to us MP people who weren’t there. Thanks all for being at this event.
Thank you Amy. This is a great article and it really allows us to understand how MP theory and results have impacted on some of the world’s leading medical research figures. I hope you continue to spread MP news faster than any pathogen can multiply (L-form or otherwise) and hopefully the medical community will listen up and take action post haste!
Wonderful and exciting! You made me feel like I was there!
Amy, that sense of pride that you speak of feeling in Dr. Marshall is something I felt for all of you watching that first video & reading this article. Well done! It’s amazing.. I felt like I was there. Well done to Paul on his recording!
Renee, Anne, Cocoa, Jeannine, Natalie,
I’m so glad that you share my enthusiasm about the Conference. Paul was very good with the video camera and we were lucky that Dr. Marshall had an awsome little hand-held video camera that Paul could use to film us in action.
Now, my focused has already turned to the 6th International Conference on Autoimmunity in Portugal, as I am submitting an abstract that would allow me to give a short talk there. Fingers crossed that it will be accepted. We shall see. So there there is more conference excitement yet to come (hopefully!)
Amy
What an exciting event…it is wonderful to read your descriptions and hear your enthusiasm. It was a bit discouraging to hear about the reaction from the publishers but not surprising. Congratulations and thank you for all of your hard work and dedication.
How exciting that Dr. Shi thinks Dr. Marshall will get the Nobel prize.
That’s not surprising to any of us on the MP.
Hoop de doo!!!!
Great article, so happy you enjoyed our neighbouring country
Paul: very funny video!
I know Diana – hoop de doo is right!
Martin, did you notice how Paul likes to make me the butt of his jokes? Now if I had the video camera there would have been some embarrassing footage of him as well! Hopefully that will happen soon…
Best,
Amy
great amy–couldnt wait to see the footage from you and trevor in Stockholm…i used to live there and it can be a really sunny place…
i really hope some people have caught on–i think u were so right in telling the drug person to develop more drugs to inhibit l-forms–that way they would really have to learn more about which species there are,how they react ,are cultured etc…money drives everything so please pharma–fill the pipeline with anti L form drugs,even better benicar(can it be improved,)medications to better manage herx and help for the body to detoxify dead cell matter,toxins and cytokines…that would make MP more efficient,tolerable and faster!!!
how did u manage with symptoms and IP to get through the conference?
are u feeling so well? –u looked really well and cool with the noirs..paul forgive..ha ha
Hi Chris,
That’s cool that you used to live in Sweden. I actually held up quite well considering that I have not taken such a long trip since before my illness. The jet lag wore me down a little at first, but I was able to sleep well. Maybe it was adrenalin, but I hardly thought about my symptoms during the time when I was presenting and just focused on talking. After a few hours I felt weary, but I think even the healthy people did.
I made it to the events at night with little time to rest in between. I also manage the walking tours that were part of both events. I did feel somewhat tired and had some degree of a headache during the events but it did not keep me from enjoying them at all.
Today I am actually celebrating two events. My birthday (26) and my third year anniversary of being on the MP. Man do I feel better now than I did three years ago! There’s no comparison. I am eternally thankful.
Best,
Amy
Amy,
I love the smirk on your face, as you point out the poster beside yours that details how to create an immunosuppresive drug.
Congratulations on your success at the DMM2008. I know that you have certainly made an impression.
Ciao!
Michael
Thanks Michael,
That’s a pretty elaborate poster for an immunosuppressive drug huh? I never even got a chance to poke a battle with the scientist presenting it because I was always explaining my poster. I would have loved to ask, “now, based on my poster, exactly what do you think is CAUSING all this inflammation you are trying to suppress?
Amy,
Thanks for the Sunday presentation.
I have talked to most of the people and they are interested and sends their thanks.
/Per
Hi Per,
Thank YOU for organizing the presentation! It was a pleasure to meet everyone present, as well as your family. You also created the perfect place for me to speak intimately with the people present.
I know that a lot of preparation went into planning for my talk and I appreciate your hard work.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy !
I was the one I think you notised who reakted with attention on your incredible speach.
All my puzzle details fellt in place and I was very happy to that.
I have now plased me to an list to get treated in Norway. I hope they can take som more patients there.
With kind regards
Alfhild
Hi Alfhild,
Thanks for listening so attentively to my presentation. It makes me so happy that you were able to better understand the details of the MP thanks to my talk. It makes me even happier that you are now placed to get treated in Norway! That’s great!
I wish you all the best with your recovery and I look forward to possibly seeing your posts on the Marshall Protocol study site.
Best,
Amy
Amy,
The description and footage of the MP presentation at DMM is so encouraging. Thank you for your thorough description and Paul for video documenting the event. Dr. Marshall is ever so impressive as he talks through his poster. Well put together! Congratulations to you all!
I had some follow-up questions after reading your descriptions and then viewing the videos:
Who manufactures Benicar and is that company interested / aware of this body of research? They certainly would have a vested interest in it. What has happened with this pharmaceutical company so far in regards to MP?
Dr. Marshall’s excitement over the research that could create a diagnostic test is contagious!! I look forward to see where he takes this connection.
Keep up your great interviews! Are there any more RA folks to add to the success story interviews?
Mel
Hi Mel,
I’m so glad you enjoyed the piece and the video. Thanks for your compliments!
As far as I know, when it comes to Sankyo, they are ironically not that happy about the fact that the MP uses Benicar as a VDR agonist rather than a blood pressure lowering medication.
Obviously the don’t realize the potential of the MP, and the potential that the MP has to make their company tons of money.
I believe they are not happy that people on the MP are using Benicar for an off-label purpose. The fact that Benicar is being used as a VDR agonist means they will probably have to pump money into more studies that test the drug in a different fashion (its effects on the VDR etc).
So they are not excited by the prospect of investing money in new research when right now, they have what they think is just a simple blood pressure lowering drug with a perfect safety profile.
Soon enough though, they will completely change their minds. As soon as the MP starts to get some real press and acceptance they’ll be jumping with joy that the treatment uses Benicar and not care about doing a few extra studies.
So just like a lot of companies or organizations out there, Sankyo just needs to become better acquainted with the potential of the MP.
Yes, there are more people with RA who are doing very well and recovering. I will be interviewing John MacDonald soon who has essentially recovered from RA. So look for that piece in the coming weeks…
Best,
Amy
Dear Mr./Ms.
Will you let me know how to do the Marshall Protocol for scleroderma patient ?
and Phone or e-mail address for the Marshall Protocol ?
thank you in advance
Jae-Ho Yoon
Seoul, Korea
1st May 2008
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Yoon Jae Ho
POSCO Research Institute
82-10-7678-8224 (PCS)
82-2-3457-8228 (Office)
http://ideas.repec.org/e/pyo41.html
http://blog.daum.net/beowulfkorea
jhyoon@posri.re.kr
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Hi Jae-Ho,
This is Amy. I write the articles on this website. I’m so glad that you have learned about the Marshall Protocol.
Dr. Marshall’s research has made it clear that each different inflammatory disease (including scleroderma) arise from the same pathogenesis, namely infection with L-form and biofilm bacteria that are collectively referred to as the Th1 pathogens.
Thus, regardless of what disease a person has, they do the Marshall Protocol in the same way. First they start a medication called Benicar that activates the Vitamin D Receptor and strengthens the innate immune system. Then they begin taking pulsed, low-dose antibiotics that gradually wear away at the pathogens causing their particular disease. In your case, you will begin to kill the pathogens causing your scleroderma.
The following two articles describe the Marshall Protocol in greater detail:
http://bacteriality.com/about-the-mp/
http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/11/antibiotics/
The Marshall Protocol is part of a phase II open internet trial monitored by the FDA. It is run by Autoimmuninity Research Foundation, a California non-profit agency. There is no fee to become a member of the study. Here is a link to the Autoimmunity Research Foundation website:
http://www.autoimmunityresearch.org
You should also read as much information as you can about the Marshall Protocol on the study site itself. Here is a link to the study site:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com
But it sounds like you need help and advice about how to start the treatment. In that case, the best place to ask your questions is at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org Th1 refers to diseases caused by bacteria, hence the name Cure My Th1
The patient advocates on that site will answer your questions free of charge and will help you get started on the Marshall Protocol. They will also tell you where to find more information on the treatment.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
) Good luck in Portugal!!!
great job, reading about the conferece has been fun for me. You are great team at ARF
I wanted to download all three posters, but the one of Prof. Marshall is not present, istead yours poster is 2x.
Best Petr
Thanks Peter!
I’m already looking for Portugal. Did you mean you are trying to download our Karolinaka posters?
Did you try to download Dr. Marshall’s poster from the links posted at this thread on the MP site? i just checked, and on my computer the link to Dr. Marshall’s poster does go to his presentation.
If you still can’t find his poster or and looking for Portugal abstracts post a link in the thread asking where it they can be found.
Here’s the thread:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/11385.html
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
OK on MP site it works, all three. But here on your pages in the links:
“the posters created by Dr. Marshall, Meg Mangin, and myself.”
I am getting this link if I click on Dr. Marshall:
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/dmm2008/DMM2008_Amy_Poster.pdf
Take care!
Petr
Hi again Amy
Tank You Again for Your great speak in Stockholm.!
I am reading the whritten speach in portions so I kan understand better. !
To qustion no. one.!
I have a friend of my who was diagnosed with ALS two years ago. Have the MP some experince with treating this disease. As it seems as many chronic diseases starts with an infektion I think may be this
sickness is among these and if it is possible to treat. ?
The second question is about that You mentioned about the medicals and the possibility to bought them in India. Can I get more information about where ?
Please Amy can you help to guide me I would be glad!
Great presentation. Congratulations to all and thank you for the dedication you all show when educating the public and professionals about Th1 disease.
Thanks Lynn!
Personally, I think the “outtakes” video makes me look particularly smart (just kidding!).
Amy
Wow! That is all I can say right now! I am getting ready to have my bloodwork done on Monday with my doctor. He has treated a few patients w/ the MP and had success with both of them, albeit.. I believe only the first phases. He is an open minded MD and very collaborative in my treatment. I had Lyme Disease, positive on both Elisa and Western Blot when I was 19 .. so many years ago (in an endemic area at the time .. I know it is much more widespread…) Anyway, I am 37 now and have 2 children (ages 8 and 5). At the time of my diagnosis .. I never had a rash, but I had been bitten by a tick and had heard about lyme (believe it r not on 60 minutes … when the first few cases were being diagnosed and brought to the public’s attention.) At the time, I had headaches, fatigue and weakness in my shoulders. I am so glad I insisited on getting tested b/c now 19 years later, I know for certain that all of this is related to my late stage/ chronic lyme. BTW, I also have had a positive Bowen test 1:64 and a picture of an L form bacteria emerging from my WBC and 3 bands positive on my Igenx test — but my doc won’t concurr that it is Borrelia — which really at this point is “beside the point”. My WOW moment tonight was reading about how during pregancy, your symptoms can become subdued and quiet … that was my exact situation! Prior to becoming pregnant w/ my 1st child, I was on a downward spiral. At 26/ 27 my CFS flared and I lived a life of constant fatigue, muscle faciulaitons, weakness and headaches, I was a wreck. I was actually scheduled for a muscle biopsy b/c of the weakness and fasicullations, but opted to wait until I delivered. And then.. all of a sudden, it all got “better”. But, after delievery about a month later .. the symptoms all came racing back. Amazing to read this — it just stopped me in my tracks. I have been reading all over this site and the MP site and … wow … to be validated like that it really felt like a moment!I am currently going back to school right now for all my pre-req science classes, which I just completed in order to beging a nursing degree. Although, I must say… I was taking Microbioogy this last semester at the same time I was getting up to speed on the MP and I have to say I really feel so drawn to biology (I have a previous degree in Journalism!) I also introduced my microbiolgy professor to the MP and she was “very” interested to say the least. She became “really” interested when I brought up Vitamin D in our discussion b/c it had matched some other research she had been reading about. Another motivation for going into nursing/ a science field aside from looking for “answers” to my own condition … my oldest daughter, who is 8 now, was diagnosed w/ Type 1 diabetes when she was 3. I have always, always felt there was an “infectious” component. What is really interesting and why this article is so important and timely is especially related to Type 1′s who do receive “islet beta cells” and intilally are insulin free/ but within about 5 years are dependent again. I remember about a year ago receiving a newsletter from UCLA about different studies/ clinical trials that they had tested long term Type 1′s who had the disease for over 30 years .. and they still had beta cell activity after all of those years. I was amazed to read this. I lost the article and tried, with no success to locate it again. Through the MP site, I was able to locate it again, but this info was definitely difficult to find. If the Th 1 pathogens are implicated in Type 1 then it makes sense that there should be some beta cell activity — I have always felt this way … this just gives me so much hope!Keep this info coming! I am truly amazed by the science behind this and have so much hope because of all of your efforts!Best,Shari Gold
Hi Shari,
I’m so happy that the the articles on this site have allowed you to better understand the MP pathogenesis and have even increased your drive to take more classes about microbiology.
I’m also very glad to hear that you have an open-minded doctor who is already familiar with the MP. I hope you can start the treatment as soon as possible. I recommend that you try to become an official member of the phase II study so that you can also get advice on how to manage your antibiotics from the experienced nurse moderators on the study site. There is currently a waiting list to become a member of the study, but you can get on the list by writing about your desire to join the study at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org
The patient advocates on the site will give you an application form to fill out. Of course if you don’t get into the study right away you can begin the MP alone with you doctor, but I always think joining the study when a slot opens up on the waiting list is a good idea.
Yes, the model of pregnancy I discussed at Karolinska definitely seems to correlate with your own experiences. Also the fact that you daughter acquired a Th1 disease speaks to the fact that that these chronic pathogens are passed down the maternal line – another trend we see in nearly all our patients. I hope that when you daughter gets older she too can do the MP.
I think it’s great that you are planning to further your knowledge of microbiology. Having a solid background in biology will allow you to understand the MP science at a much deeper level. Hopefully you will be able to use your knowledge to explain the MP science to other people with chronic disease that can also benefit from the treatment.
Hope that you can start the treatment soon!
Amy
Hi Shari,
I’m so happy that the the articles on this site have allowed you to better understand the MP pathogenesis and have even increased your drive to take more classes about microbiology.
I’m also very glad to hear that you have an open-minded doctor who is already familiar with the MP. I hope you can start the treatment as soon as possible. I recommend that you try to become an official member of the phase II study so that you can also get advice on how to manage your antibiotics from the experienced nurse moderators on the study site. There is currently a waiting list to become a member of the study, but you can get on the list by writing about your desire to join the study at the following website:
http://www.curemyth1.org
The patient advocates on the site will give you an application form to fill out. Of course if you don’t get into the study right away you can begin the MP alone with your doctor, but I always think joining the study when a slot opens up on the waiting list is a good idea.
Yes, the model of pregnancy I discussed at Karolinska definitely seems to correlate with your own experiences. Also the fact that you daughter acquired a Th1 disease speaks to the fact that that these chronic pathogens are passed down the maternal line – another trend we see in nearly all our patients. I hope that when you daughter gets older she too can do the MP.
I think it’s great that you are planning to further your knowledge of microbiology. Having a solid background in biology will allow you to understand the MP science at a much deeper level. Hopefully you will be able to use your knowledge to explain the MP science to other people with chronic disease that can also benefit from the treatment.
Hope that you can start the treatment soon!
Amy
Hi Amy,
Thanks so much for your response. I have been off the computer for the last week and was glad to read your post.
Some good news … my doctor is going to prescribe the MP for me. I just found out today. My 25 D test came back and it was low … still awaiting the 1,25 results … but based on my past and current history he is open to my trying the MP. I will definitely follow up and find out what the 1, 25 results were which will be next week — just curious and always nice to be validated.
Also, wanted to share with you, a recent immunopathic reaction that happened this week. I am a coffee drinker and on average probably drank about 2 to 3 cups per day. I also consume green tea and black tea as well. It is what got me through my days if you know what I mean. Well…. this past week I decided to go cold turkey off the caffeine, coffee, tea… etc. I felt fine on day one and not sluggish at all on day two… in fact on day two, I had a bout of insomnia, but, by day three, my neuropathies in the back of my hips into my legs flared up so badly, I could barely bend over and was miserable. I know coffee is contraindicated on the MP and read up again on the immunmodulatory effects of cholergenic acid. But … because I was so miserable, went back to the coffee on day four, but decaf this time. And like magic the pain went away by the next day. During the flare-up, I tried taking some Flexeril and Adavan which I have on hand for my fibro emergencies. It didn’t even touch it. The coffee did the trick … further confirming the immunopathology of the event.
Of course, when I get my Benicar … the coffee is out again … but I have to get by right now the best I can and still take care of my family.
I am already registered with the curemyth1 site, but I will officially apply to get on the waiting list to take part in the study asap. I hope the wait won’t be too long
Thanks again and I will keep you posted.
Best,
Shari Gold
Hi Shari,
That’s great news! I’m so glad your doctor is going to put you on the MP. I assume he/she is a member of the “Private Section for Medical Professionals” on the MP site? If not, make sure he joins so that he can get advice from other MP doctors, researchers, and Dr. Marshall if necessary. Here’s the link to the forum:
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum24/
Thanks for sharing your experience with coffee. As you describe, coffee is definitely high in chlorogenic acid which unfortunately dysregulates the VDR. So when you drink a lot of coffee you probably don’t kill as much bacteria as you would otherwise. Testimonials like yours make me wonder how many people are addicted to coffee because of the caffeine and how many people actually need several cups of coffee each day because of its effects on the innate immune system. It’s likely a combination of the two factors for many people, but I personally don’t think the high prevalence of coffee drinkers and the rising epidemic of chronic disease is just a coincidence.
I look forward to hearing more about your progress.
Best,
Amy