21 Mar 2009
Excuse me, my what?!
Duh, Kineosphaeram, one of the over 600 bacterial species that may be living in your mouth or other areas of your body. If you don’t harbor Kineosphaeram, then perhaps your mouth is home to Bergeriella, Buttiauxella, Cedecea, Derxia, Faecalibacterium, Hallella, Mannheimia, Paludibacterm, Ruminococcus, Thermovirga, or Wolinella. The list goes on….
If these bacterial species sound new to you, it’s because many of them are. Several of the species were just recently named after researchers led by Dr. Mark Stoneking of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany conducted the first in-depth study of global diversity in the human mouth.[1] The team sequenced and analyzed variations in the bacterial gene encoding 16S rRNA, a component of the bacterial ribosome, in the salivary metagenome (bacterial population) of 120 healthy subjects from six geographic areas. The researchers proceeded to compare the sequences they found with a database of previously categorized 16S rRNA sequences to categorize the types of bacteria present.
These sequences could be assigned to 101 known bacterial genera, of which 39 were not previously reported from the human oral cavity; phylogenetic analysis suggests that an additional 64 unknown genera are present. The results suggest great diversity in the salivary microbiome within and between individuals that until this point had never been realized.
“The healthy human mouth is home to a tremendous variety of microbes including viruses, fungi, protozoa and bacteria,” said Professor William Wade from King’s College London Dental Institute. “The bacteria are the most numerous: there are 100 million in every millilitre of saliva and more than 600 different species in the mouth. Around half of these have yet to be named and we are trying to describe and name the new species.”
Are these bacteria helpful or up to no good? While some may not impact dental health, disease causing bacteria in the mouth are rampant – ranging from species that cause the dental plaque that leads to cavities to forms that weaken the gums or cause bad breath. For decades scientists have advised patients to brush their teeth (don’t forget to scrub for a full three minutes!), floss, and often use a variety of mouthwashes to rid the mouth of as many bacteria as possible. There is little worry that such procedures might kill commensal or “helpful” bacteria in the mouth, probably because most dental bacteria are seen as a menace to to salivary and dental health.
Three of the bacteria identified in the “healthy” subjects in Stoneking’s study are certainly not bacteria anyone wants to be carrying around – Neisseria. Treponema neisseria and Yersinia. Treponema and Neisseria can cause gonorrhea and syphilis respectively. Infection with Yersinia leads to a variety of symptoms including fever, abdominal pain, and diarrhea, which is often bloody. It has also been implicated in Reactive Arthritis.
At my last appointment, my dentist showed me an awesome video of biofilm (bacterial colonies) on the surface of normal teeth. The images were so cool that I asked him for permission to put the video up on this site, but, alas, it is copyrighted. My dentist proceeded to laud the virtues of regular flossing, a practice which I do regularly. (I swear!) In his opinion, flossing helps break up these biofilms and is critical to preventing tooth decay.
Interestingly, the Marshall Protocol does just that – although it uses pulsed, low-dose antibiotics – which have been shown to effectively destroy biofilms – and Benicar to get the job done with more vigor than a flossing addict could ever achieve. Take a certain MP patient (to protect her anonymity, I will call her “Mom”), who has been seeing the dentist for years due to tooth decay. I am told there is a ski home somewhere in Vail funded in large part by “Mom’s” regular dental work. She started the MP two years ago and now her dentist is more than a little surprised. At her last appointment, he said that he simply could not fathom the lack of plaque or tooth decay in any area of her mouth. Boy, does “Mom” wish she had started the MP earlier!
What intrigues me about bacteria in the mouth is that scientists regard most of them as harmful to our health and have no problem with procedures that would seek to sterilize the mouth. But when one mentions other parts of the body – let’s say the gut – and points out that perhaps the majority of bacteria in that area are also causing inflammation and disease, the same researchers often strongly disagree. Currently bacteria in the gut are largely assumed to be “helpful”, although in many cases such thinking is based only on speculation. Perhaps some gut bacteria may help with metabolic breakdown, but it is quite possible that the environment in the gut more closely resembles that of the mouth – an environment that can easily be overtaken by pathogens. Under such circumstances, a treatment like the MP that kills bacteria in the gut is therapeutic against inflammatory diseases such as Crohn’s, colitis and myriad other bowel ailments. This is especially true since patients on the MP are reporting improvement and recovery from bowel diseases that have never previously been reversed.
Also interesting is that many bacteria in the mouth seem able to migrate down the esophagus and reach the interior organs of the body. For example, Porphyromonas gingivalis[2] and A. actinomycetemcomitans,[3] both of which cause decay in the mouth, have been repeatedly identified in artherosclerotic plaque. This strongly suggests that these bacteria may be wreaking havoc on the blood vessels and contributing to heart disease. In fact, biomedical research Trevor Marshall believes that arterial plaque is a result of chronic bacterial infection. Indeed, where arterial plaque was once thought to be made of cholesterol and lipids it is now known that it is largely composed of dead macrophages. Since bacteria can infect and kill macrophages the death of such cells and their accumulation in patients with heart conditions seems logically tied to bacterial infection. With the above in mind, it’s not surprising that patients on the MP have reported improvement and recovery from various cardiac conditions. Some have tests showing that after years on the MP the plaque in their arteries is greatly reduced.
So keep on brushing people, but I recommend doing the MP too. In a theoretical sense the MP “brushes” our insides – the places we can’t reach to kill pathogenic bacteria physically. For most MP patients doing so is proving to be quite rewarding.
8 Responses for "Hey there, how’s your Kineosphaeram holding up?"
Are the MP antibiotics required to break up the biofilms or can Benicar do this alone without antibiotics?
My dentist was amazed when he saw the reversal of periodontal disease and the cessation of tooth decay in my mouth while I was taking the phase II MP antibiotics. He’s never seen this happen before in his patients. However, since then, to keep the symptoms under control, I’ve stopped the antibiotics and some tooth decay has occurred. Of course, I’m still taking Benicar and intend to resume the antibiotics when the symptoms become more tolerable.
Hi Ken,
Glad that like “Mom” you seriously impressed your dentist! I would say the antibiotics definitely play a role in fully targeting the spectrum of bacteria in the mouth. Because they weaken bacterial ribosomes, they will cause a greater die-off than Benicar alone. It’s really important that especially at the beginning of the MP Benicar is taken along with the antibiotics.
But I happen to know you and your case is a bit different. You’ve been on the MP for several years. We suspect that many of the Th1 pathogens dysregulate the immune response by creating ligands that disable the VDR. I bet you have killed a good share of those pathogens meaning that your VDR and immune response is working quite powerfully again, especially since it’s still being activated by Benicar. In fact, the strength of your natural immune response may be what has caused you to need a break from the MP as you are probably targeting more bacteria on a daily basis then you ever were at the start of the MP, and possibly large colonies all at once.
Under these circumstances, I think you are making plenty of progress on Benicar alone. I would suspect that the immune system in your mouth and elsewhere is still doing a pretty good job of keeping pathogens under control and I wouldn’t expect any major decay. Of course if will be great when you are able to resume the antibiotics but I still think you are making progress on Benicar alone.
NOTE: I say this to Ken only because he has been on the MP for several years and I know his case history. I am not implying that it’s OK for other patients do use only Benicar when doing the MP.
Best,
Amy
Hi Amy,
This is a very interesting article and Ken’s comments are a bit different from my own experience. I have been on the MP for going on 9 months. Prior to that, I was the apple of my dental hygienist eye. She would RAVE about my plaque/ tartar free teeth, commending me up and down for my fantastic oral hygiene. I knew better. Hey, I brush my teeth, own a sonicare, but am by no means the poster child for oral health care. In fact, most of my life, I had been plagued w/ plenty ‘o cavities. I’ve got my share of fillings/ and a few crowns. But, once I started the MP, and particularly in the middle of Ph 2 (I will hopefully begin Ph 3 soon), I started to notice more of a plaque/ tartar build up. My hygienist used to comment that I probably had the most AMAZING immune system, I knew better (had Lyme for going on 20 years), but now, that my immune system is active again, I am building up the biofilms that had been lacking for so long. I actually felt it was a badge of honor this last time when I went in b/c normally, they don’t even need to use the scraping device on me, there is usually nothing there. Not this time, I had some of the yucky white stuff. So, what do you propose is going on here? My hypothesis has been that now that I am actually challenging certain bacteria, in order to proliferate in my mouth, they are now having to form biofilm communities to persist – I don’t know, might be overly simplistic, but would be interested in your take as this is your field!
Take care,
Shari
Hi Shari,
Thanks for sharing your story! I believe your thinking is right on. Anyone familiar with the MP understands that once on the treatment, symptoms flare before they get better. In your case, since you are still between Phase II and III, you are at a stage in the MP where you are likely killing quite a bit of bacteria.
Before you started the MP you say you didn’t have plaque. That makes sense because in people with Lyme and other chronic inflammatory illnesses caused by bacteria, many of the bacteria involved in the disease process create ligands that slow receptors that control immune system function. This allows them to gradually “shut down” the immune system over time. As people become more immunosuppressed some mistakenly think they are getting better, but what is really going on is that the battle between the immune system and bacteria can no longer take place because the immune system is so shot. So people enter a state that I envision as something like kudzu vine slowly growing over a field. The vines don’t cause too many symptoms, but the body just become bacterial reservoirs. In your case, plaque would not form under these conditions because plaque is likely made up of not just bacteria, but substances released when they are being killed – debri, toxins etc.
One you started the MP you jump-started your immune system with Benicar and began to kill the bacteria causing immune system dysregulation. This allowed a battle in your mouth to resume again. At this point, you had probably accumulated quite a load of salivary bacteria. As they died, I assume the products of bacterial death actually began to form part of what becomes plaque and such plaque formation serves as proof that you are really targeting bacteria.
I believe that as you continue to target bacteria in your mouth with the MP meds, eventually you will reach a state where your teeth become shiny and clean again. At that point the clean teeth will be the result of a reduced bacterial load in your mouth. Then the absence of plaque will be a good thing.
So that’s my take. I think you certainly have the right attitude in assuming that the appearance of plaque while you are in the middle of the MP is a positive sign of your rejuvenated immune response.
Take care,
Amy
Interesting article Amy. I am not on the MP yet, but hope to start soon.
I used to be plagued with plaque, cavities and gingivitis. When I became too chemically sensitive/allergic to use toothpaste, I had to switch to baking soda and/or hydrogen peroxide. No more plaque, cavities or inflammation for the last 15 years. I think the H202 oxidizes and kills the bacteria and the soda changes the pH making the environment unfriendly to them.
Of course an alternate hypothesis could be that the pathogens which crashed my immune system are living in my mouth, competing with the plaque bacteria and winning.
Thanks for your efforts and this site.
Ann
Hi Ann,
No problem. I’m glad you find the site informative!
I don’t know which, if either, of your hypotheses are correct either. Some say H2O2 has antimicrobial activitity but I did many H202 IV’s before starting the MP and they really had no effect. That being said, it could be different in the mouth or different in other people. If you are right that the H202 worked than perhaps toothpaste companies should consider the possibility!
But, as you mention, there’s a high chance that the pathogen load is you mouth has just gotten so high that you immune system isn’t really able to attack it anymore.
I guess the best way to figure out what’s going on would be to try the MP and see what the immunopathology is like in your mouth. So I hope you do start the MP!
Best,
Amy
Hey Amy,
I am in agreement with you about plaque being related to die off. I think I was ready to buy the farm when I started the MP and for the longest time, I had to scrape plaque off of my teeth three times a day. I had a difficult time controlling my IP. After three years, I have yet to make it to Phase 2 because my IP is too strong (though I did Mod Phase 2 for over seven months), and am back on Mino.
Still, I scrap plaque off my teeth at least once a week and if my IP strikes, I might do it every day for several days. There’s no way I could wait to go to the dentist even if I went every two months for a cleaning.
I find that the creation of plaque is a good indicator for me–I know I am killing CWD. I also know at some point this will start to slow down even more as I get better. Perhaps by then I’ll be able to start Phase 2.
Thanks for the article.
Hi Claire,
Thanks for your comment. During earlier periods of the MP I had a lot of plaque buildup (and tartar). I also saw it as a good thing. It’s pretty much established that bacteria in the mouth are mostly in a biofilm state, so if they were dying off (plaque is considered to be dead bacteria) then I figured biofilm related to other symptoms were likely being targeted as well.
But it would always puzzle my dentist that even though I would have all this plaque and tartar I never had any cavities. I have not had a single cavity since starting the MP. So it seems like the bacteria are really stymied.
My Mom’s had dental problems for years and now she’s been on the MP for a while. Her dentist just can’t believe how much better her gum/teeth have become. He hasn’t had to do a single filling or treat a single cavity. He told her he is amazed. My Mom really regrets not starting the MP earlier considering the sum she’s spent on dental bills!
I would not consider being on mino and benicar alone to be anything near to failure on the MP. As I’ve discussed with Trevor, the real variable in recovery on the MP is the strength of any one person’s immune response, not the antibiotics they can tolerate. Some people who have less VDR blockage can tolerate less abx because their immune response is stronger – that’s not a bad thing, but a good thing! In fact, over my time on the MP I gradually lowered my abx as my immune response became more powerful. As long as you are moving ahead and on Benicar I feel you are still making substantial progress.
Best,
Amy