11 Jun 2009
Two weeks ago, I boarded a 747 to travel to Beijing, China in order to speak at the 2009 International Congress of Antibodies. Within minutes of hitting the runway, we were greeted by a crew of officials wearing surgical masks and wielding thermometers. The fever analysis was performed as part of an effort on behalf of the Chinese government to ensure that neither I nor my fellow travelers had the swine flu. Luckily I was cleared and proceeded to my hotel which was also the site of the Conference. Before checking into my room, I had to get my temperature checked yet a second time by the hotel staff. I wasn’t opposed to the routine screenings since, at the time, if anyone on my hotel floor had the swine flu the entire floor would be quarantined.
The door of our hotel was guarded by two cement lions and delicate Chinese flowers in a vase were built into the hotel revolving door. The first night, I was exhausted and fell into a deep sleep due to the jet lag. I woke up to greet my colleague, Dr. Trevor Marshall, whose flight had arrived during the night. He was surprisingly chipper and we set off to explore our surroundings. The hotel was located close to the stadium from the 2008 Summer Olympics, also known as the “Bird’s Nest.” Dr. Marshall was lucky enough to have a view of the stadium from his hotel room window. I had to settle for a view of the boring side of the street. Down the street we discovered a Chinese cafeteria that served the locals and had better food than the hotel, at least in my opinion. It was the first of my many trips there to get a stir-fry or other delicious dishes. We also cheated by discovering a supermarket with American food products that we stocked up on for snacks. Then we went to a fourteen-story building occupying a whole city block. It was full of innumerable electronic devices for sale at low prices. Given his earlier work as a microchip designer, surely this was Dr. Marshall’s mothership.
The first thing I’ll say about the Conference is that its name – International Congress of Antibodies – is something of a misnomer. The reality is that the Conference was not for antibodies but people.
Conference registration was the next day. Finding the registration took some time. It was in a completely different part of the hotel and most of the hotel staff didn’t speak any English at all. In fact, it was the first time in my life where I truly felt “lost in translation.” Even my elaborate hand gestures often couldn’t help the hotel staff understand what I needed, particularly when it came to setting up my Internet connection, trying to use their business center, or communicating with the housekeeping staff about when I would and would not be in my room.
It quickly became apparent that essentially all guests that stay at the Beijing International Continental Hotel are Chinese and that few tourists stay at the hotel. This meant it was easy to pick out other researchers arriving for the Conference. It was as simple as noting that someone spoke a foreign language, had european or hispanic features, or was gesticulating at the front desk.
The Conference officially began on Thursday morning. The opening talks consisted largely of the Conference sponsors touting their products or companies. Eventually I became even more accustomed to such talks since at least half of the researchers presenting were also associated with biotech companies or other businesses that not only conduct research but also sell tools for antibody detection and creation. Their talks were generally of less interest to me than those that discussed purely scientific work.
The researchers hailed from around the world, several from Europe and the USA, even some from Latin America. Unfortunately, most of the researchers from Japan were not able to attend the Conference because of an increasing number of swine flu cases in their country that had made the Chinese authorities nervous. Perhaps this worked in my favor. Originally I had been scheduled to speak at a session on Saturday afternoon about antibodies and diagnostic tools. However, there is actually very little about diagnostics in my speech. So I asked one of the Conference organizers if I could switch to speak in a session specifically about autoimmune disease the next morning, which had an empty slot because of a Japanese speaker’s absence. She said yes.
Before Sunday rolled around I perused the halls, introducing myself and getting to know my fellow conference attendees. Most people were very open and eager to talk about their work or China in general. Every lunch and dinner we would all walk in a pack back to the main hotel where a buffet-style meal was served. The food was Chinese and sometimes intriguing – intriguing as in I really didn’t know what I was eating! There was plenty of meat in sauce and green leafy vegetables, and of course, plenty and plenty of rice.
Lunch and dinner served as perfect times to make friends. I met a woman from the UK with a wonderful sense of sarcasm and humor. Two German men who managed biotech companies were also very outgoing and full of interesting stories about Germany and their other travels abroad. I really enjoyed the enthusiasm of a Chinese-born researcher who now works at the University of Toronto. His interest piqued when I told him about the MP. Later, after hearing my talk, he became even more enthusiastic and kindly told me that my speech had exceeded his expectations. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever been at a Conference where Dr. Marshall’s work was so well-received. Nearly everyone wanted to learn about the Pathogenesis. Many weren’t even familiar with latest estimates released by the Human Microbiome Project which state that at least 90% of cells in the human body are bacterial in origin. Everyone seemed to agree that such a plethora of bacteria could very likely cause a wide variety of autoimmune and inflammatory diagnoses. By Sunday morning I had whetted the scientific appetities of as many people as I could so that they would come listen to my speech.
Every session at the Conference was monitored by two chairmen, and in my case, both were very open-minded and intelligent scientists. My speech was the last in the session, but finally I made my way to the podium. As I spoke, I could sense that the colorful backgrounds and strong images on my slides (designed by my colleague Paul Albert) were helping people to capture the important aspects of the speech. Several camera flashes illuminated the room when I put up a slide covered by a prolific number of names of different bacterial species recently determined to persist in saliva.
The main point of my speech was to re-examine the concept of the “autoantibody.” Currently, autoimmune disease is thought to result when the immune system attacks itself. In such a model, antibodies, which are molecules used by the immune system to neutralize foreign objects, are thought to be created in response to our own human DNA.
What I pointed out was that, since the human body is composed of more microbial than human cells, this is not necessarily the case. The antibodies detected in what is now considered to be “autoimmune” disease may actually be created in response to bacteria. Specifically, when the innate immune system is activated by continually trying to kill chronic bacteria it activates the adaptive immune system. The adaptive immune system, which is the branch of the immune system that creates antibodies, then likely proceeds to create such antibodies in response to fragments of bacterial DNA generated by the death of the infected cells.
At the conclusion of the speech, those members of the crowd that hadn’t left in disgust began to lob vegetables towards the stage. Fortunately, some of the produce was fresh, and I had enough for a salad….
The truth is more boring: the speech seemed to go over quite well. The audience applauded enthusiastically, and a number of hands shot up for questions. So many people had questions that a number of people missed lunch to listen to my follow-up remarks. One of the session’s chairmen, Dr. Audrey Tchorbanov of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, seemed impressed with the speech and we posed for photos together. A few other people did the same. A pediatrician from Denmark who had given a very interesting speech himself about sepsis in infants commented numerous times on the groundbreaking nature of Dr. Marshall’s work. I think, as has been the case with every conference I’ve spoken at so far, the audience was pleasantly surprised to hear a speech that discussed how scientific observations and more theoretical work can be applied to clinical care.
To celebrate a successful presentation, Dr. Marshall treated me to a meal that has been a favorite of Chinese emperors since the time of the early Ming dynasty. I forget the Mandarin term for it, but I believe in English it is called grilled cheese sandwich and french fries with ketchup.
Later that day, I returned to a few sessions and then retired to my room to decompress. The wry woman from the UK arranged for a group of us to go out that night in honor of the end of the Conference. There were about eight of us including the biotech guys from Germany and the pediatrician from Denmark. We were also joined by a scientist from Ireland whose thick brogue and lively banter kept us laughing all night. One of the members of our group, a Chinese woman, took us to a lake surrounded by rows of outside bars with comfy couches and chairs. The temperature was perfect – warm and breezy. We celebrated until four or five in the morning when we finally headed back to the hotel. It was encouraging to see that, like me, most of my fellow scientists are able to combine work with play.
If it were even possible to sum up China and her people in a single word, that word would be “ambitious.” You can see ambition in the medal counts from the 2008 Beijing Olympics and in the Beijing skyline, being built ever upwards at a furious pace. But I can also see the urge to succeed in Chinese researchers’ apparent receptiveness to the MP and the science which supports it.
I feel that China may eventually prove to be fertile ground for the MP to flourish. There is no vitamin D added to the food chain. Supplementation with D is not promoted or generally used as a therapy in chronic disease. Because pale white skin is considered beautiful in China, staying out of the sun is common practice for the Chinese. Chinese women in particular walk around with sun umbrellas and wear sunglasses and often long-sleeved shirts. Whereas American magazines advertise tanning salons and creams, Chinese magazines advertise hats and skin-whitening cream.
Perhaps I should not have been surprised then that the Chinese people seemed much healthier than the Americans I’m used to seeing. For one thing, almost no one in China is obese or even fat, and it’s not like these people don’t know how to eat! Also, I was impressed at the lack of acne in the Chinese population. It seemed that every Chinese woman – whether at the airport, the hotel, or at the Conference itself – had perfectly blemish-free skin.
All in all, it was a great trip. I certainly plan to keep in touch with some of the people I met, and I definitely hope to return.
22 Responses for "Notes from the 2009 International Congress of Antibodies"
well done amy!:)
really good preseantation, and it’s great to hear it was so well recieved by the scientists and professionals.
Hi Amy,
During your presentation, you make reference to a study regarding the onset of Type 1 Diabetes and a certain composition of microbiota in the murine gut … where might I find that study or information?
Thanks!!!
Shari Gold
Hi Shari,
Amy was referring to this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19225551
Best,
Paul
I’m not completely clear on your view of autoantibodies. Aren’t antibodies always identified by the specific antigens they target? So wouldn’t an autoantibody always target a specific human antigen and not an unknown bacterial antigen? Is the existence of autoimmune disease just speculation?
Ken
Informative talk. The ‘Self Reported Symptom Improvement…’ slide was difficult to see. Would you be willing to post or send?
Hi Lyn,
Glad you enjoyed it. Here is a pretty good version of the slide.
http://bacteriality.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/selfreported.png
Best,
Paul
Ken,
Actually, antibodies are not so very specific in actuality — this is rarely talked about. Many different molecules from very different sources have similar or identical portions and thus there are many that are said to be cross reactive. The phenomenon of molecular mimicry, in fact, is often discussed in the field of autoimmunity — and these are essentially examples of antibodies that react to self antigens, but also react with other molecules.
Joyce Waterhouse
PS Great talk, Amy — and I’m so glad it was so well received.
Here is an article that discusses the molecular mimicry theory of autoimmune disease. As you can see, it fits well with the MP view and what Amy talked about:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9761770
So, although an antibody might show an affinity for a self-antigen, it might not be the reason it was produced (to target the self). But they never tell you about this lack of specificity when they give you the test results.
Joyce Waterhouse
Amy, you gave a wonderful presentation. Your talk seemed to tie together all the key features to understanding the human microgenome and how it relates to immune disease as the scientific field understands it right now. It sounds like you had a very receptive audience of medical providers. Great job!
you wrote in your comments above:
“I feel that China may eventually prove to be fertile ground for the MP to flourish. There is no vitamin D added to the food chain. ”
I wonder if the Chinese people realize how lucky they are that “vitamin D” is not added to their foods!
I’m convinced that much of the illness we see in the US is directly related to foods supplemented with “vitamin D”. It’s so very sad…
First off, I’d like to thank everyone who has congratulated me on my speech. I appreciate your feedback and your words are very encouraging!!
Dee D,
I could not agree with you more than rampant over-supplementation of vitamin D in the United States is greatly contributing to the high prevalence of chronic disease in the country. In simple terms, people who eat D fortified products are consuming a steroid that inhibits at high enough levels inhibits their immune systems from dealing with all the chronic bacteria that cause so many disease states. It’s a terrible problem!
I’m not sure if the Chinese realize yet how lucky they are not to have extra D in their food products. However I believe in time, if they don’t add vitamin D to their products, they may start to understand how smart they have been. That’s why I think it’s important that we are introducing Dr. Marshall’s work on vitamin D (showing it’s immunosuppressive properties) to researchers at West China Hospital now – so they will truly understand why not consuming extra D is helping them.
In China I saw very little discussion or even mention of vitamin D. It seems assumed that enough vitamins can be obtained from a healthy diet and that supplementation is unnecessary and not really considered at this point. I sure hope it stays that way!
It will be interesting in the coming years to look at differences in disease prevalence in countries that do and don’t supplement with D.
Best,
Amy
Dear Amy,
Loved the presentation and details of your trip. Something that really jumped out at me was how easily you fell asleep after the long flight. Your ability to sleep now after what it used to be is remarkable.
Also, in regards to China not having Vitamin D added to their food, do you have any information regarding the percentage of their population suffering from TH1 diseases versus the United States?
Thanks.
Great job Amy!!! Your presentation was very informative–glad to hear also that it was well received. Thanks for your hard work, dedication, and passion for furthering the world’s knowledge of ARF research and it’s role in understanding the bacterial cause of chronic disease.
I learn so much from every article, paper, and presentation. Thanks again and best of luck in pursuing your graduate work this Fall!
Hi Rosie and Marysue,
Thanks so much for writing. I appreciate your supports and kind comments very much!
Rosie – my sleep has definitely improved, although at that point I had been up for at least 24 hours. But you are right, compared to the “old” days things are very different.
About the prevalence of chronic disease in China vs. the US – Paul has been searching for data on that topic lately but has not been able to find anything very specific about chronic disease incidence in China. But we’ll keep searching – if anything next time I speak with the researchers at West China Hospital I’ll ask them if they know of any such statistics.
In the meantime, this article touches on chronic disease prevalence in the US:
http://mpkb.org/doku.php/home:pathogenesis:epidemiology
Thanks again for your comments!
Amy
Amy,
I went to your article link above and WOW!–the MP knowledge base has really grown since I last saw it. I must have been distracted by enjoying my first two months on the MP! :=) It is very well organized and easy to navigate. I did a lot of reading tonight–probably a little too much even with my 2% NoIRs. Fortunately, I’m sleeping well on Benicar so no more light-induced insomnia (at least for now).
I’m curious what the status of the knowledge base is–some of the comment entries look like it is still in review among ARF staff members and not quite ready for the general population. Is it OK for us to start referring people to it? And, will it have a separate web address or will it be linked from the other MP sites only?
Marysue
Thanks, Marysue. About 2/3 of the articles are ready for general consumption. Have a look at the Project Status section on the working home page:
http://mpkb.org/doku.php#project_status
That should explain everything.
Best,
Paul
Thanks for the help Paul–apparently I got so excited navigating through all the info that I couldn’t find the “home” button. Now I see that it’s at the beginning of the written part on each page. Oops, that was easy!
BTW, I look forward to a future life when most of my posts will be during normal hours of the day like you and Amy!! As a fellow CFSer and “ex”-athlete, I have real hope of getting well after reading both of your stories. Thanks so much for sharing.
Amy,
Sorry to hijack this thread with the following response to your Vitamin D synapsis, but you seem to lack a way to contact you on your site directly, so I don’t seem to have any other option.
Please read the following entire post:
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=19878
At ImmortalHair.org, most of us supplement with thousands of IU of Vitamin D-3, and none of us get sick and are in some great health. I, personally, supplement on 8,000 in the winter months when sun is minimal.
As the founder of ImmortalHair.org, Brian Simonis has 9 years of experience in Orthmolecular Medicine practice, and had the following to state:
“Based on all the evidence, Vitamin D is critical to optimal health. One thing that is clear to me is that low vitamin D is associated wit premature death and virtually all ICU patients have low levels of D3, but those who live long tend to have high D3 levels.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17846391
If one gets tested they would want to aim for between 70 and 100 ng/mL Most have far below these levels. The safe upper limit of D3 is 10,000 IU daily.”
Dan,
In my personal opinion, the amount of vitamin D you and your fellow group members are taking is radically high and completely detrimental to your health.
Does Dr. Simonis realize that vitamin D is a powerful secosteroid with properties very similar to serious immunosuppressive medications like prednisone? Taking such a secosteroid at the doses he recommends essentially completely shuts off the innate immune response.
You must wonder then why your hair might actually come back when you take vitamin D or why you may feel temporarily better. The reality is that by slowing the innate immune response, “vitamin” D suppresses the ability of the body to kill the slow-growing, chronic bacteria that are increasingly implicated as the cause of hair loss. Because there is no immune response, the bacteria don’t die and hair may actually come back for a while. But the end result is terrible – your bacteria, including bacteria that may be involved in a wide variety of other diseases will spread with much greater ease. This will make you much more ill over the long-term.
Dr. Simonis says he knows “all the evidence” regarding “vitamin” D. Well, he apparently hasn’t read the publications put forth by our organization or any molecular biologists who clearly define “vitamin” D as a secosteroid. Clearly he didn’t realize that our organization recently chaired the entire session on vitamin D at the International Congress on Autoimmunity where researchers including a member of the FDA presented research stating exactly the opposite of what he is saying.
You may want to read the following paper:
“Vitamin D: The Alternative Hypothesis”
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/transcripts/AR-Albert-VitD.pdf
It’s at least always good to know that there are two sides to a debate. In your case and in the other members of your group I greatly fear for your health.
Best,
Amy
Great presentation, Amy!
You were the first to answer my questions about MP, I´m on it for 8 months now and doing quite fine..
Thank you !
Thanks Annemarie – I really appreciate your feedback!
I’m so glad that you are doing well on the MP. Keep it up!
Amy
Hello Amy,
I was just directed to this video by a friend, and I am absolutely fascinated. Many thanks to you and your colleagues for your dedicated work in this area.
Can you elaborate (or point me in the right direction) regarding the H. pylori correlation? This was discussed at the very end of the video, unfortunately I didn’t clearly understand the commenter.
Thank you very much,
Kelly
Hi Kelly,
Sorry not to write you back more quickly. Thanks for your comments about the speech and I’m glad you find it interesting!
About the Barry Marshall connection – Barry Marshall is an Australian scientist who is not related to Dr. Trevor Marshall. Several decades ago Barry Marshall was the first scientist to show (in conjunction with his colleague Dr. Robin Warren) that most ulcers are not caused by stressed by are instead the result of infection with the bacterial pathogen h.pylori.
When Barry Marshall first put forth his findings he was apparently mocked by most of his colleagues who didn’t believe bacteria could be involved in the disease state. People even walked out on him during several of his speeches. Yet, after several decades he finally succeeded in showing the medical community that he was right. At that point he was awarded the Nobel Prize.
So the story is a wake up call to researchers who are unwilling to accept new ideas because they stray from the current consensus. Also, it demonstrates that change in the scientific community takes time. Rarely is a new discovery ever accepted without a long, hard fight. Finally, the situation bears resemblance to the struggle which Dr. Marshall and his colleagues such as myself face in trying to get the medical community to consider that chronic bacteria could also be at the root of many other disease states. Except in our case some could argue we have an even greater task at hand (if we are correct) in terms getting others to accept our work when we are implicating many different species of bacteria in a single disease state.
Here’s a bit more about the Barry Marshall/Robin Warren story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall
Hope this helps!
Best,
Amy